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On October 17 2014 05:38 devon06atX wrote: I'm curious how Daut would do 4-6 tabling 600nl over 100k hands on pokerstars these days. Not a challenge, just curious. edit - not a slight at all on the mathematicians' skills (he rocks), I'm curious how he'd do in todays games is all. PS. fuck nlhe. plo is dollar dollar bills yo edit - now that I'm more sober. I really am wondering, do you think you'd be able to pull off a ~4 bb win rate at nl600? What *are* you doing pokerwise these days anyway. Screw it, make a well already. Holy monopoly balls.

at this very moment id probably be a small loser doing that, like -1.5bb/100. seems like lineups are pretty tough these days and the regs are definitely better than me now, especially since i moved to PLO/MTT the last few years (shit maybe id be a bigger loser even?). dont really know how id do at 3/6 plo either, those lineups vary wildly depending on what fish are sitting. if i put in some work id probably be a very small winner, but its really hard to imagine beating those games up vs very few fish and guys who have millions of hands and are always sitting. and if im losing, how are these awful fish doing.....

the fish ive played with in the past year sometimes run it up to like 3-4 stacks, but generally bust it before they leave the table. they are giant losers. maybe the "fish" on stars are guys who play like 26/9 and play ok but just lose at like -6bb/100 and can go on 20k hand winning stretches. but most of the fish ive seen are either super loose passive (so low standard deviation) or just spewtards who are way too loose to win over more than a tiny sample.

besides, romm3l explicitly talked about HSNL, not mid stakes cash in his post so how people play lower is irrelevant.

Make a well.

Liquidpoker loves you.

You're probably the favourite person on lp. Besides spets soft porn. Your shit is gospel

On October 17 2014 14:29 Daut wrote: [ besides, romm3l explicitly talked about HSNL, not mid stakes cash in his post so how people play lower is irrelevant.

As i understand, he was referring to Floofy's post that was about fish in general.

doesn't make a huge difference what game as long as there are mainly regs in them. I did mention hsnl since that is my main experience in watching fish toss money into a black hole

it's simple logic to guess fish's lossrates, you don't need to find evidence or something. let's go through some assumptions and deductions:

1. regs that are longterm winners play more hands, more tables and more hours, and stay around more often than the average player

2. it follows from (1) most tables running at any given time are full of regs

3. high volume regs might be making 0-5bb/100 pre-rakeback on avg, let's say the avg reg wins at 2bb/100

4. it follows from (2) that a table with a big fish at any reasonable stakes that professionals find it worthwhile to grind will be considered a greater than average table

5. from (3) and (4) it follows that regs win more than 2bb/100 in a game with one big fish. Let's call it 5bb/100.

6. poker is a zero sum game after rake.

7. from (5) and (6) it follows that:

X + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + R = 0

Where:
X is the fish winrate at a table of five regs and one fish
R is the bb/100 going into rake

Rearrange this equation and plug in whatever R is at your stakes to get the (LARGE) fish lossrate.

Who cares. As long as they keep depositing.

edit - I'm curious the % of true winners on this site. In general I've read it's something like 5% winners total.. I'm certain this site has a much larger ratio, but still.

btw tt, I know you got the star a while ago, it was long over-due. You should write a little essay/beginners guide on how to crush. I think it would be applicable to all micros. I don't remember what.. cariadon (I think), people are over thinking the shit out of of it. Tell the masses what sites you're playing on man.

1. Pick a good deal with 50%++ rb @ prima/ipoker/enet

2. Dont level yourself cause at least in prima you ll mainly play vs fishregs

3. Profit


Can I have my green star too now?

rekrul said 19% are winners 14% win some 5% win a lot

You've got my vote.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

On October 18 2014 15:05 Romm3l wrote: doesn't make a huge difference what game as long as there are mainly regs in them. I did mention hsnl since that is my main experience in watching fish toss money into a black hole

I disagree. On HSL there are much better players that exploit fish better.

I'd say most regs win 0-2bb/100, 4bb/100 longterm is unsusual in 6max ( i rememeber when PTR was available on PS and i was marking midstakes regs winrates like crazy )

And that's where your math and my math dont add up, cause i think its more like:

X + 0.2 + 0.5 + 1.5 + 2.5 + 1 + R= 0

X = -5,7bb/100 - R

rake is what? 8bb?

so its -12,7bb/100

And since we talk about majority of fish, majority plays below NL400, so i understand you have main experience in HSL, but its not the majority. Also big fish are exceptional nowdays.

On October 20 2014 05:07 MadeInPolanD wrote: Show nested quote + On October 18 2014 15:05 Romm3l wrote: doesn't make a huge difference what game as long as there are mainly regs in them. I did mention hsnl since that is my main experience in watching fish toss money into a black hole I disagree. On HSL there are much better players that exploit fish better. I'd say most regs win 0-2bb/100, 4bb/100 longterm is unsusual in 6max ( i rememeber when PTR was available on PS and i was marking midstakes regs winrates like crazy ) And that's where your math and my math dont add up, cause i think its more like: X + 0.2 + 0.5 + 1.5 + 2.5 + 1 + R= 0 X = -5,7bb/100 - R rake is what? 8bb? so its -12,7bb/100 And since we talk about majority of fish, majority plays below NL400, so i understand you have main experience in HSL, but its not the majority. Also big fish are exceptional nowdays.

lets say its NL200 and your winrates are correct. isnt the rake like 4bb/100 per player? so it would be -5.7-24=-30bb. at PLO the rake is even bigger. IIRC, 11bb/100 at 100PLO, 7bb/100 at 200PLO, 4bb/100 at 400PLO

lol, it sounds right LOL