Phua Bail-out by Ivey/Robl Countered by ICE - Page 2

Cause a shitload of people know Ivey even from outside the poker world and the other guy, while a HS player, is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less known?

On August 01 2014 06:57 napoleono wrote: Cause a shitload of people know Ivey even from outside the poker world and the other guy, while a HS player, is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less known?

That's a good reason to use Ivey's name obviously. I'm just saying it's kind of funny that they don't also use Robl's name.

On August 01 2014 06:42 relyt wrote: Show nested quote + Phil Ivey and another big-name professional poker player Poor Robl puts up $1.5 million and they don't use his name in the first sentence but they use Iveys even though he put up 500k less.

robl smurfing for sympathy

Guys seriously. Did Gruissem call?

Phua played on tilt as MalACEasia in the 400/800 ante NLHE games not long ago. He lost millions but his winrate actually was relatively not bad considering he played nothing but the top 10 in the world including all the colluding, seat scripting shady russians. He booked a lot of winning sessions and went on a few million dollar runs. Wouldn't be surprised if his live crew advised him to quit those games.

I don't think Ivey and especially ROBL bailed him out to keep the fish in action. They are friends at this point and hang out and take care of each other outside of poker.

On August 01 2014 15:03 traxamillion wrote: I don't think Ivey and especially ROBL bailed him out to keep the fish in action. They are friends at this point and hang out and take care of each other outside of poker.

this.

Do you actually really think Phua will stay in the USA if he gets bailed out to play poker after being faced which such charges, especially if he s a triad member...

Ivey and Robl don't lose anything cause he ll obviously reimburse them for whatever the bail was.

Anyways how is Robl still playting nosebleeds, isn't he mega terrible

On August 01 2014 15:03 traxamillion wrote: Phua played on tilt as MalACEasia in the 400/800 ante NLHE games not long ago. He lost millions but his winrate actually was relatively not bad considering he played nothing but the top 10 in the world including all the colluding, seat scripting shady russians. He booked a lot of winning sessions and went on a few million dollar runs. Wouldn't be surprised if his live crew advised him to quit those games. I don't think Ivey and especially ROBL bailed him out to keep the fish in action. They are friends at this point and hang out and take care of each other outside of poker.

he's a very smart man and a savvy gambler. tbh if he really tried to beat those games he would be close to breakeven actually, but its so small for him that quite honestly he just doesn't care. and yes, i posted about this earlier--Paul was bailed out with respect, not because he's a fish at all because he is not.

On August 01 2014 16:50 Spitfiree wrote: Anyways how is Robl still playting nosebleeds, isn't he mega terrible

yes the guy who beat highstakes games online for many years and is said to be one of the biggest winners in Macau is confirmed mega terrible, seems pretty clear to me.

Malaceasia was pretty bad and definitelly the reason why nosebleeds online ran at the time, but he probably still has a big edge in any live game

FINE, this took me a while to find out but he did fold

On August 02 2014 06:23 Hoolz_1907 wrote: FINE, this took me a while to find out but he did fold

you need to work on your google-phua

On August 01 2014 16:50 Spitfiree wrote: Anyways how is Robl still playting nosebleeds, isn't he mega terrible

In an earlier sworn affidavit, Robl, who also lives in Las Vegas, said he has been a friend of Paul Phua for four years and planned to cash $1.5 million in poker chips he won at the Aria resort to help cover his bail.

Maybe its just bad reporting, but I found it very weird/surprising that he has that much in chips.

So.. Dwan, Ivey, and Robl are hanging around and rubbing shoulders with high ranking members of a massive international crime syndicate that deals in murder "illegal gambling, loan sharking, money laundering, arms trafficking, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion, counterfeiting and, to a lesser extent, home invasion robberies.[7][8]" (from wiki).

Stay classy top notch poker players, stay classy. Sketchy stuff right there.

I wasn't suggesting Phua was a fish i was actually trying to imply the opposite. He held his own in those games. My comment on his crew advising him to quit those games was just random pure speculation. I was thinking his people would advise him to quit those games not because he was delusional about his skill level or that they didn't think he was the winner. That wasn't what matters. It was more about some of the primarily Russian lineups that were clearly seat scripting and probably sharing hole cards, halving action and probably worse. Why give those dirtbags the action.

To note as a testament to his skill; those games started running 4-5 handed for long stretches of time and half the players that were initially playing him quit his 4/8 games by the end.

Pretty much everyone lost or broke even except tight-man1 (Vogelsang) and Denoking/Wilhasha who ran hot and took the millions

On August 02 2014 10:49 devon06atX wrote: So.. Dwan, Ivey, and Robl are hanging around and rubbing shoulders with high ranking members of a massive international crime syndicate that deals in murder "illegal gambling, loan sharking, money laundering, arms trafficking, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion, counterfeiting and, to a lesser extent, home invasion robberies.[7][8]" (from wiki). Stay classy top notch poker players, stay classy. Sketchy stuff right there.

yeah..
i decided to just avoid making judgement on things i dont really know about

On August 02 2014 10:49 devon06atX wrote: So.. Dwan, Ivey, and Robl are hanging around and rubbing shoulders with high ranking members of a massive international crime syndicate that deals in murder "illegal gambling, loan sharking, money laundering, arms trafficking, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion, counterfeiting and, to a lesser extent, home invasion robberies.[7][8]" (from wiki).

maybe in poker games but not as part of a criminal conspiracy

did you ever hear the quote it doesn't make any difference to me what a man does for a living

On August 02 2014 10:10 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2014 16:50 Spitfiree wrote: Anyways how is Robl still playting nosebleeds, isn't he mega terrible   In an earlier sworn affidavit, Robl, who also lives in Las Vegas, said he has been a friend of Paul Phua for four years and planned to cash $1.5 million in poker chips he won at the Aria resort to help cover his bail. Maybe its just bad reporting, but I found it very weird/surprising that he has that much in chips.

Doesnt seem very weird/surprising. He is known to participating in the Macau-games, where $1million pots are very normal, and Tom Hall wrote on 2+2 about a pot worth over $10mill (didnt say which players, just one western pro and one chinese businessman) and then he is not even in the game when it has played at its highest.

On August 02 2014 17:56 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2014 10:49 devon06atX wrote: So.. Dwan, Ivey, and Robl are hanging around and rubbing shoulders with high ranking members of a massive international crime syndicate that deals in murder "illegal gambling, loan sharking, money laundering, arms trafficking, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion, counterfeiting and, to a lesser extent, home invasion robberies.[7][8]" (from wiki). Stay classy top notch poker players, stay classy. Sketchy stuff right there. yeah.. i decided to just avoid making judgement on things i dont really know about

I doubt just any random guy could get some milly and play the Macau chinese businessmen. I bet they need some kind of connection and someone to vouch for you to get in them. After all think about it, those games are supposedly running for like 2? years now and there is almost no public information whatsoever given out, nor who are the chinese either ( i've only seen the names of 2-3 of them ). That being said - it makes a lot of sense to have such a friend

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