Amaya acquires Rational Group (owner of Stars/FTP) - Page 4

On July 12 2014 07:14 Spitfiree wrote: There is no FPP bonus that is worth taking, 100k fpp = 425 sunday storm stts 6max,2 paid , where if you're decent you cash in in half of them for 11$ or 213*11$ = 2343$ which is almost 50% more

50% the fuck
that jesus godmode activated bro. Anything above 33% is great and you should could with 33% cash multiplier rly because of time spent

Play them in sunday, improve your winrate to god mode :D

bullshit
show proof you have 50% 6max hyperturbo fpp sats over large sample

nobody gets 50% in those hypher variance shovefests

ggplz, im just saying its still an amazing site and bitching about small things like this shouldn't really matter. Be thankful you have pokerstars.

yah, around 35% in those 6max hypers is sick good, 1-5% is great edge, 33% if 2 get a seat i believe, so 38% is ur highest sustainable winrate unless you've unlocked some secret 6max hyper strategy that nobody knows about, or you can increase your edge by playing at the right times, to maybe 40-42%

On July 14 2014 02:39 GoldRush wrote: Be thankful you have pokerstars.

for once i wholeheartedly agree with your post. Try grinding poker without rakeback and shitty mass grinders with no winrates will shut up realll quick.

It's not a small thing if it directly affects your rakeback. You think a guy grinding 375 FPP sngs is in the same RB tier as someone typically spending 100k FPPs? As I said, it doesn't affect yours and you don't care, gz. I'll never be "thankful" I have pokerstars, they should be thankful they have a playerbase.

On July 15 2014 03:00 ggplz wrote: As I said, it doesn't affect yours and you don't care, gz. I'll never be "thankful" I have pokerstars, they should be thankful they have a playerbase.

Exactly...


My sample isn't really big enough, but I am indeed running a bit under 50% thought thats sustainable, considering the player pool.


Anyway, has anyone tried registering w real $ and get a ticket then unregister?

On July 14 2014 02:39 GoldRush wrote:Be thankful you have pokerstars.

Keep keep spouting bullshit man. I didn't bother analyzing your numbers, because, you're a clown.

To people who live in this that think we are 'Lucky to PAY FUCKING RAKE TO THIS BILLION PROFIT COMPANY', go fuck yourselves.

Every one of you.

Sometimes I honestly think LP is full of smart intellectual individuals, other times I'm certain these are the first stupid fucks to go in an apocalypse.

its neilly what are you expecting

http://pokerfuse.com/news/industry/20...-amaya-pokerstars-casino-launch-year/

riiiiiiiiiiight

this'll be good for the games?

On August 20 2014 04:37 whamm! wrote: this'll be good for the games?

it would probably attract a lot of casino profits into the poker tables but that PS will have casino is certainly not a certain thing

AYA stock jumped to 20 when this thread came out and I wanted to buy but couldn't pull the trigger. Now it's at 30. Your cashed out bankroll could have grown 33%.

On July 16 2014 22:28 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On July 14 2014 02:39 GoldRush wrote:Be thankful you have pokerstars. Sometimes I honestly think LP is full of smart intellectual individuals, other times I'm certain these are the first stupid fucks to go in an apocalypse.

while this is true, i think that the portion of LP that are smart intellectuals would prefer to go first in an apocalypse

Why would PokerStars be thankful they have a player base?

They provide a good service, and earned their player base.

"Blah blah blah monopoly"

They provided one of the top two sites for a decade, then when black Friday hit, THEY HAD PLAYERS' MONEY. Which means they actually did it far more legitimately than anybody else on the market.

Yeah, you should be thankful for them. Hating on them because they're a "multiple billion dollar corporation", and because you don't always get what you want, is childish at best. They could've been like every other site that went down on black Friday, or went bankrupt, or jumped ship with people's money.

No, I don't play on stars. I just don't hate " the man" for the sake of hating the man. And if I had an issue with paying rake to a multi billion dollar corporations, I wouldn't play on it. But that's because I'm not a Muppet o.o

Who are you arguing with? I obviously don't hate pokerstars - I still pay them a shitton of rake when I actually do play. I think the profit they have is outrageous, but if I'm willing to pay it, whatever. I also think gas prices are ridiculous, but I still buy that too. And dozens of other examples. I wasn't a part of the apple craze a number of years ago when they dominated (and charged insane prices), but I think the prices they charged were crazy too. Should people be thankful for Apple to be charging them these amounts of money in order to buy their hyped up products?

I just think people who think we're "lucky" to be paying pokerstars outrageous (in my opinion) amounts of rake to heap atop their gravy train of profit are ridiculous.

Every company on earth should be thankful for their customer base ffs. I don't understand what business philosophies you've ever studied, but a company that isn't thankful of it's customer base and has decent competition is destined to eventually fail.

I mean... I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. A company did what they said they were going to do (not steal, allow cashouts, have good customer service, etc.) and all of a sudden, we're lucky to be padding their coffers handsomely? WTF is wrong with you people who believe this.

Anyways. This is my last post on this topic. It's already been kicked back and forth and the exact same arguments are coming up. No more kicking the dead horse for this guy.

Who are you arguing with?

Nobody said "we're lucky to be padding their coffers handsomely"
Nobody said "we are 'Lucky to PAY FUCKING RAKE TO THIS BILLION PROFIT COMPANY' "

Here's what people ACTUALLY said:

"Be thankful you have pokerstars."
"They provide a good service, and earned their player base."

What you are doing is an obvious strawman argument. We SHOULD be thankful we have pokerstars. They provide a great service to us. Yes, we pay for it, but we pay less than it is worth to us. The reason we do it is because its a net positive benefit to us. This is a mutually beneficial relationship - BOTH parties benefit, and yet you think only one party should be thankful? When we have something in our life that benefits us (net positive), we should be thankful for it.

GoldRush and FrEaK are obviously correct. You are arguing with them because you are flagrantly misinterpreting what they said.

That's based on your opinion and view of the site and gambling industry and on if the individual has a reason to be thankful - which is info you dont have. Should losing players be thankful? All things considered, should I? Personally I say no.

On September 04 2014 09:29 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Why would PokerStars be thankful they have a player base? They provide a good service, and earned their player base. "Blah blah blah monopoly"

i don't know if you're trolling but nobody is going to take you seriously when you address the important issue of Pokerstars' monopoly with "blah blah monopoly". even if you're one of the minority who thinks it's not currently a monopoly, brushing the issue off is just dumb, it's obviously a big deal.

They provided one of the top two sites for a decade, then when black Friday hit, THEY HAD PLAYERS' MONEY. Which means they actually did it far more legitimately than anybody else on the market.

the fact that PS not scamming their players is considered some sort of industry benchmark is kind of insane and kind of sad.

Yeah, you should be thankful for them. Hating on them because they're a "multiple billion dollar corporation", and because you don't always get what you want, is childish at best. They could've been like every other site that went down on black Friday, or went bankrupt, or jumped ship with people's money. No, I don't play on stars. I just don't hate " the man" for the sake of hating the man. And if I had an issue with paying rake to a multi billion dollar corporations, I wouldn't play on it. But that's because I'm not a Muppet o.o

nobody has mentioned being a multi-billion dollar corporation or "hating the man" in this thread as reasons for having an issue with PS, might want to re-read and make a meaningful point if you have one instead of devolving the thread into idiotic generalizations like "hating the man".

anyway the whole discussion about who should be thankful for who is pointless. stars will always act in their best interests, they will be "grateful" to the extent that it's in their interest. it's not like they paid players back out of the goodness of their heart. and whether individuals feel grateful to Stars is a personal decision based on their values, and doesn't really matter. just because Stars is the best-run business in the industry doesn't mean they're beyond reproach or critique.

players act in their best interests too, and as someone mentioned earlier in the thread the idea that a grinder is entitled to x amount of rakeback because they produce y amount of rake is also nonesense (sort of), since the market will determine the price. it's nonesense in terms of actually feeling entitled to it. but it's not nonesense for players to discuss, criticize, and use whatever influence they can to lobby for Stars to change their policies, especially if they're not good for the long-term health of the poker economy.