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So ive got KK UTG an limp in. I know what yall thinking right here but ive limped before in early position with like 910 suited and some noobs like to do min raises or 3x raise with 3 other limpers in and i just repopped it to 100 just to take it down right there. So anyways back to the hand. I limped in with kk utg and utg+2, a really tight middle aged man, raises to 35 ( i know he has pocket pair here ALWAYS im just hoping it isnt aces) and gets two caller right behind him. folds to me and i make it 135 with 800 stack. original raiser has 500 two other guys cover me. anyways after he thinks for a few seconds original raiser just calls (really good sign for me), really loose player behind him calls, and decent player after him thinks for about 15 seconds and calls.
At this point im like okay whatever happens im most likely going all in. i think for about 15 seconds and lead 200 on a 10h 6h 7 board. really tight guy tank folds loose guy calls, decent player doesnt take long after loose guy calls and says all in. i have like 500 left behind and im just thinking WTF now???
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rememp   Canada. Feb 07 2013 20:16. Posts 480 | | |
Pretty sure any ax hearts does this. Also any set, this is my work computer so I guess stove it to see.
Give him axhh, JJ - AA and all the sets. Maybe 88 and 99 do this too though, depends on your reads. |
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Tensai176   Canada. Feb 07 2013 20:52. Posts 1018 | | |
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YoMeR   United States. Feb 08 2013 08:24. Posts 12435 | | |
you don't need to stove this to make sure it's a snapcall |
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GoTuNk   Chile. Feb 08 2013 16:02. Posts 2860 | | |
If you are not giving him odds to call for setmining just snap and enjoy ur sklanky bucks (can't get bitches with em though) |
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chrusher97   Canada. Feb 08 2013 22:51. Posts 449 | | |
This is why limp reraising is bad. Everybody knows exactly what you have and its ez for them to play perfect against u. Also I'm pretty sure he does have setmining odds closing the action preflop after 2 ppl already called |
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I didnt want to overbet preflop to get at least one caller but got 3 instead, so they did end up getting odds and made it more tricky for me. I do make my hand really obv here and the guy that shoved isnt a terrible player so i would imagine he would figure what i have as well. I was just surprised when he shoved into me still. He has to figure i haves rockets or kings but still insta shoves. |
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YoMeR   United States. Feb 27 2013 18:23. Posts 12435 | | |
you do realize that after making it 135 pre with an 800 effective stack you can no longer fold?
if you're thinking about folding in this hand after putting in that much of you stack with KK then you're doing it wrong. |
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YoMeR   United States. Feb 27 2013 18:24. Posts 12435 | | |
also i think your bet sizing sucks pre and on the flop. I don't know why i didn't notice that before but please make it 150+ pre and just shove the flop. the pot is almost $500 on the flop and you bet $200 into it on that board texture.
I'd like your sizing if the board was something like Q33 rainbow or something similar but on that kinda board betting 1/3 pot or less is horrible imo. |
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TampaBayMat   United States. Mar 02 2013 18:25. Posts 249 | | |
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Haunted   United States. Mar 07 2013 23:52. Posts 86 | | |
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Well he had JJ and turned it into a bluff. I really wasnt expecting that rofl. Coulda won 1800 dollar pot. Last time i get tricky. Bet 200 to try and get original raiser to come in cuz i put him on qq or jj. |
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I would assume that he would assume i had a big hand and would just flat draws in position. Hand royally fcked me big time. Folded best hand other guy only had AK ... |
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sunnysky7   . Mar 17 2013 06:51. Posts 1549 | | |
What? U folded? |
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traxamillion   United States. Mar 17 2013 14:35. Posts 10468 | | |
Lol him jamming JJ is not a bluff... |
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traxamillion   United States. Mar 17 2013 14:37. Posts 10468 | | |
And he probably flats nothing on the flop; draws top pair whatever he wants to go with the pot is big enough that he is putting it in right there. |
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ugly   . Mar 21 2013 13:53. Posts 162 | | |
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KeyleK_uk   United Kingdom. Mar 21 2013 15:13. Posts 1687 | | |
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poker is soooo much easier when you flop sets | |
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mnj   United States. Mar 23 2013 15:21. Posts 3848 | | |
lmao wat do you want him to do wiht JJ? check fold? LOL |
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TalentedTom   Canada. Mar 27 2013 15:15. Posts 20070 | | |
| On March 17 2013 13:35 traxamillion wrote:
Lol him jamming JJ is not a bluff... |
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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same | |
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Jelle   Belgium. Apr 02 2013 01:44. Posts 3476 | | |
| On February 08 2013 21:51 chrusher97 wrote:
This is why limp reraising is bad. Everybody knows exactly what you have and its ez for them to play perfect against u. Also I'm pretty sure he does have setmining odds closing the action preflop after 2 ppl already called |
that can't be the reason why limp/reraising is bad... if u really believe that then just frequently limp/raise as a bluff without doing it too often and make tons of money |
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chrusher97   Canada. Apr 05 2013 22:58. Posts 449 | | |
Well in my experience from 99% of live players it is always qq+ and its because they are scared to play postflop, making the type of player who limp reraises very unlikely to be doing it as a bluff.
I never tried but I think trying to balance it would not be a good idea because you are putting lots of money in from utg especially in deeper games bigger than 2/5 |
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Fraser   Canada. Apr 17 2013 13:44. Posts 4605 | | |
Seems to me like its good if you can exploit the majority of your opponents one way or another (either they give it too much credit, or not enough credit). If your opponents are a mixed bag (typical) then you get yourself into some bad situations bluffing this way |
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YoMeR   United States. Apr 25 2013 08:32. Posts 12435 | | |
lol omg you folded ;(
maybe move down in stakes if you playing scared money like this. |
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KeyleK_uk   United Kingdom. Apr 26 2013 10:23. Posts 1687 | | |
| On April 25 2013 07:32 YoMeR wrote:
lol omg you folded ;(
maybe move down in stakes if you playing scared money like this. |
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poker is soooo much easier when you flop sets | |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Apr 29 2013 23:33. Posts 4742 | | |
cant go putting in over 300e, then fold, crazy spew.
Really hard to say without knowing too much about the players, ive been playing 21 days straight 2-5nl e, and it depends so much. Even the nits are calling like crazy, just harder to notice since it goes so slow in live, but they are calling stations too, most of them I feel.
I also hate limping good hands, never do it, don't get the logic, maybe if the good is really good for it, and people always start raising and building huge pots. But not unless some specific dynamic.
If the guy had JJ, the hand would probably have gone, you make it 20e, or 25, u get 2 callers, and the JJ guy, repops it to around 80e, a little more or less, I don't know. Get to you, you think for 7 - 11 seconds, then you repop him, making it around 250 or something, now u get AK with as well, and the JJ will ship all in, and you shove, and you have KK vs AK vs JJ, free moneyz yay.
As play, get it in on that flop yay. |
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I tried to take a different approach to the game. Instead of saying omg i have so much money in the pot i have KK jam!, I wanted to get inside the head of these live players and see what they would really do. I profiled him as one of those tight passive players(like 99.5% of live players) and in position with two players in front of him, would flat draws and see turn with 500 left behind after calling... and shove of course made hands. I guess i tried to be too fancy and "soulread" as the saying goes? Left out he could have JJ as part of his range and of course its the hand he has =[. BTW saying "jamming JJ as bluff" was not my words it was his rofl. he showed his hand after i folded as thats what he said. this hand still haunts me till this day. So the moral of this story children is; dont fold your sets online and dont fold big pocket pairs lives. |
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Bet sizing fucked u up. I would've made it 165-175 pre after the raise-calls, if u still get called in 3 spots then shove that flop. If any of em hit a set, fuck it, reload. Check/folding KKs here... might as well wear a 'IM A PUSSY' sign on your forehead and get bulldozed for the remainder of the session. |
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true dat. i always try and bet smaller to make myself look weaker or because some of them are more likely to crying call a weaker bet? i might be over thinking things or maybe truely everyone knows stronger is weak and weak is strong. |
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| On May 19 2013 20:02 JohnnyBologna wrote:
true dat. i always try and bet smaller to make myself look weaker or because some of them are more likely to crying call a weaker bet? i might be over thinking things or maybe truely everyone knows stronger is weak and weak is strong. |
Extra reason to snap! If you are making them read you wrong.
You made yourself look weak!
So 10 9 might shove and 2 hearts and so on... |
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Bejamin1   Canada. Jun 03 2013 10:46. Posts 7042 | | |
| On March 15 2013 20:39 JohnnyBologna wrote:
Well he had JJ and turned it into a bluff. I really wasnt expecting that rofl. Coulda won 1800 dollar pot. Last time i get tricky. Bet 200 to try and get original raiser to come in cuz i put him on qq or jj. |
Coulda? So you folded? Live poker, it hurts your brain . |
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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jun 16 2013 12:37. Posts 5108 | | |
| On February 08 2013 21:51 chrusher97 wrote:
This is why limp reraising is bad. Everybody knows exactly what you have and its ez for them to play perfect against u. Also I'm pretty sure he does have setmining odds closing the action preflop after 2 ppl already called |
His reasoning for limp/raising KK (his limp always got raised + bad players) make perfect sense imo. And even the decent guy couldnt get away from JJ 4way pot so... |
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el_tilon   Canada. Aug 19 2013 16:32. Posts 296 | | |
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YoMeR   United States. Oct 07 2013 21:00. Posts 12435 | | |
| On May 16 2013 16:54 JohnnyBologna wrote:
I tried to take a different approach to the game. Instead of saying omg i have so much money in the pot i have KK jam!, I wanted to get inside the head of these live players and see what they would really do. I profiled him as one of those tight passive players(like 99.5% of live players) and in position with two players in front of him, would flat draws and see turn with 500 left behind after calling... and shove of course made hands. I guess i tried to be too fancy and "soulread" as the saying goes? Left out he could have JJ as part of his range and of course its the hand he has =[. BTW saying "jamming JJ as bluff" was not my words it was his rofl. he showed his hand after i folded as thats what he said. this hand still haunts me till this day. So the moral of this story children is; dont fold your sets online and dont fold big pocket pairs lives. |
I'm all for actively thinking about your game, and as a result improving your game. Here you clearly took it way too far in terms of "being too creative". Just take the solid approach...you stick in 25-35bb pre w 150 bb effective + get it in on almost any non A hi board with KK ====???? and that approach will yield mass profit over time. playing hands like this over time will just rape your winrate. Just try to get a nice solid ABC approach...getting inside their heads and soul reading them is fine and dandy but there are spots where A+B=C pretty clearly...and this is one of those spots. |
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el_tilon   Canada. Oct 09 2013 22:12. Posts 296 | | |
The pot is near to 540, and you have 665 behind, why not shove in this particular situation with this wet flop?.
I know that you are screaming AA/KK but who cares the pot is juicy |
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