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Luke "fullflush1" Schwartz: "Doug WCGRider Polk is a scam"

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Defrag   Poland. May 08 2017 23:34. Posts 4497

The flaming war between Doug “WCGRider” Polk, and Luke “__fullflush1__” Schwartz shows no sign of stopping as Schwartz laid into the Upswing Poker founder in a PokerNews interview published earlier this week.

During a break at the PokerStars Championship Main Event in Monte Carlo, Schwartz was collared by interviewer Laura Cornelius and asked about his recent spat with the US pro.

Despite initially claiming “There’s not much really to say about that Doug Polk guy”, when he got going it would appear that Schwartz found plenty to say about him, and not an awful lot of it was good.

Schwartz did admit to finding the fact that Polk had framed a picture of Luke’s rather poor PokerStars graph (courtesy of good old HighstakesDB site) and given it pride of place in his recent YouTube videos quite funny. However, Schwartz made the not entirely unreasonable point that Polk’s own PokerStars graph shows him to have been a losing player himself over the past few years. In fact, Polk hasn’t had a winning year at PokerStars since 2013, and since October that year his losses at high stakes cash games add up to over $513,000. In the same time period, Schwartz has lost $693k. Schwartz goes on to admit that although he is a loser in PokerStars cash games because “that is the toughest place to play”, that he is a big winner elsewhere.

Schwartz then goes on to call Polk’s training site, Upswing Poker, “a scam” because he believes that Polk is selling a false dream to others that they can win at online poker if they buy his product, when the truth is he can’t even beat the games himself.
While Polk has certainly showed a hefty cash game loss at Stars since late 2013, it’s relevant to note that his losses came at PLO and Draw, while he broke even at NLHE at PokerStars. On top of this in the same time-frame, Polk won over $1m playing high stakes NLHE at Full Tilt.

Furthermore, Upswing has primarily been sold as a tool to improve the fundamentals of poker to low-stakes players, helping them turn a profit – and to this end, it is almost certainly somewhat misleading to call it a ‘scam’.

It’s worth noting that despite both players rather poor showings at PokerStars cash games over the past few years, both have excelled at the sites tournaments. Over the past few years Schwartz has won 5 SCOOP titles, as well as winning the Sunday Million last year, while Polk has streamed himself on twitch making three six-figure scores in PokerStars tournaments over the last 12 months.

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whamm!   Albania. May 09 2017 03:34. Posts 11604

Well it's always been historically accurate that top players only think of "giving back" via way of coaching site is either they feel they can no longer beat the games or they are starting to doubt poker's future.


sniderstyle   United States. May 09 2017 05:54. Posts 2041

for someone who spent so much effort marketing
then his 0-10000$ challenge where he'd grind micro micro tourneys , i always thought that was fishy. Why would he waste so many hours trying to prove a point he never was able to do..meanwhile his twitch marketing was crazy

i dindt know if i was jealous or just getting the scam vibe --- still could be either

Genginho: lose today 100 dollar only because of fishs they called and had luck on river 

PuertoRican   United States. May 09 2017 06:14. Posts 10576

Rekrul is a newb 

Baalim   Mexico. May 09 2017 09:07. Posts 31463

list of other monsters in the red since 2014 in nlhe on Stars (on 25/50+):

Kanu
willhasa
AltiFC
pandorasbux
Ivey
Jungleman
Haxton
KPR16


stars high stakes are though AF

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro OnlineLast edit: 09/05/2017 09:09

ClouD87   Italy. May 09 2017 13:25. Posts 522

HSDB doesn't track 25/50, who knows how much they really won in NLHE...


Santafairy   Korea (South). May 09 2017 14:09. Posts 1176

at some point in any skilled activity we should accept that there have to be people who are allowed to be coaches and teachers besides the current world #1

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 09 2017 15:23. Posts 7805

Someone should really coach him on how to properly flame someone without looking like an idiot. Think WCGRider could actually coach him on that as well


  Schwartz then goes on to call Polk’s training site, Upswing Poker, “a scam” because he believes that Polk is selling a false dream to others that they can win at online poker if they buy his product, when the truth is he can’t even beat the games himself.



Yeah, by that logic 99.99999999999% of all teachers are scam artists

 Last edit: 09/05/2017 15:24

whamm!   Albania. May 10 2017 00:46. Posts 11604

so it's all rungood?


lucky331   . May 10 2017 01:08. Posts 784


  On May 09 2017 02:34 whamm! wrote:
Well it's always been historically accurate that top players only think of "giving back" via way of coaching site is either they feel they can no longer beat the games or they are starting to doubt poker's future.



that. or become the property of chinese triads.


lucky331   . May 10 2017 01:11. Posts 784


  On May 09 2017 23:46 whamm! wrote:
so it's all rungood?



yes except for this guy.



Baalim   Mexico. May 10 2017 04:28. Posts 31463

Ivey cant beat HS online on stars, actually his presence alone would probably be enough to fill a table.

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online 

lucky331   . May 11 2017 06:06. Posts 784


  On May 10 2017 03:28 Baalim wrote:
Ivey cant beat HS online on stars, actually his presence alone would probably be enough to fill a table.



he could edge sort his way to millions in baccarat though. hero.


Ryan Neilly   United States. May 11 2017 15:25. Posts 1160

dougs product is very good, it has changed my game a ton for the better.

was at micro last year, this year crushing 1/2

thanks doug.


BlizzY   Slovakia. May 12 2017 08:19. Posts 754

Neilly, last year you were coaching 2/4 , remember ?


BlizzY   Slovakia. May 12 2017 08:20. Posts 754

Or was that the year before that ?


 





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