what do we do?

egypt 16/9
birk 80/10

ez bet ..they have something KJ QJ spade draws. Bet 17 call ..egypt if hes allin but have to fold birk allin

feels so fucked up to bet fold 17 here getting 4 to 1 for a call i mean

hmm how more i think aboiut it its the only line. anyone got an other idea?

Wrote the stuff below before you posted stats. Both fishy then so any retarded slow played stuff is possible. How aggro is (EDIT)birk? If he is really aggro he could easily shove over your raise with worse. If he's passive then I like wolfheart's line otherwise I prefer the line below.
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Puke? I don't think you can bet as you are deep with birk111 and his range is pretty strong here. c/c and c/c non-draw completing rivers? Seems a bit weak but the only thing you are ahead of here is draws and if you bet and get raised it is very ugly. I don't think egypt has you beat but birk's range? AJ, AsXs, ATs, AsQx/Kx, KQ - would they slow play sets on this board - seems unlikely?

Some higher stakes views would be interesting.

bet/call vs egypt
bet/fold vs birk

but i think it's rare that birk will have a hand better than you here cause he is a nit, and they only know to raise to protect their hands when they hit it big and the flop and this turn is very drawy. he will likely call another street with top pair and draw or something like that but if someone like birk calls two big bets 3 way in a spot like this, i'd have to check/fold the river vs him.

easy bet/fold vs birk. hes 80/10 wtf. if he calls and egypt shoves its meh...tough cuz we dont know what birk is going to do.

sry guys i mistyped the guy behind (birk is 16/9) and i expect him to fold everything expect qk+ if i bet 20. if i check he check behind all his draws and bet qk+.


villian oop I'm not scared off
sry im still 20 tabling so i fucked up my typing

On December 01 2009 04:49 jantje123 wrote: sry guys i mistyped the guy behind (birk is 16/9) and i expect him to fold everything expect qk+ if i bet 20. if i check he check behind all his draws and bet qk+.

If you can really trust this read then you're saying it's a c/f as you can't get worse to call and he'll only bet better?

On December 01 2009 04:59 4Kingell wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2009 04:49 jantje123 wrote: sry guys i mistyped the guy behind (birk is 16/9) and i expect him to fold everything expect qk+ if i bet 20. if i check he check behind all his draws and bet qk+. If you can really trust this read then you're saying it's a c/f as you can't get worse to call and he'll only bet better?

ya thought that to but the fish is prolly calling way more light and aint folding any draw even a naked jack

so check and let the fish draw for free ?

b/f imo

On December 01 2009 05:01 jantje123 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2009 04:59 4Kingell wrote:   On December 01 2009 04:49 jantje123 wrote: sry guys i mistyped the guy behind (birk is 16/9) and i expect him to fold everything expect qk+ if i bet 20. if i check he check behind all his draws and bet qk+. If you can really trust this read then you're saying it's a c/f as you can't get worse to call and he'll only bet better? ya thought that to but the fish is prolly calling way more light and aint folding any draw even a naked jack so check and let the fish draw for free ?

Good point - this definitely makes it a bet then I think. The nit calls with better/good draw, the fish calls with a lot you beat - if nit raises you fold, nit folds and fish raises you probably have to call it off given the price.

Think you only need to bet $17 though - not $20 - achieves the same result Vs nit and Vs fish and if nit raises saves you a few BB.

EDIT: Next question is is nit calls/both call wtf do you do on the river if it blanks?

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