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Handnr: 685406
Submitted by : remember87

Full Tilt Poker Game #12085297376: Table Ursus (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:03:17 ET - 2009/05/07
Seat 1: MantaForce ($301.40)
Seat 2: Hero ($201)
Seat 3: MrBlueDuck ($203)
Seat 4: Arse-Analfan ($311.25)
Seat 5: rumnchess ($234)
Seat 6: McQQueen ($465.80)
Hero posts the small blind of $1
MrBlueDuck posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1

Holecards
Dealt to HeroAsTc
Arse-Analfan folds
rumnchess raises to $7
McQQueen folds
MantaForce folds
Hero calls $6
MrBlueDuck folds

Flop (Pot : $16.00)

   8c4sQs
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero checks
rumnchess bets $10
Hero calls $10

Turn (Pot : $36.00)

   8c4sQsAc
Hero bets $26
rumnchess calls $26

River (Pot : $88.00)

   8c4sQsAcJc
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $65
rumnchess folds
Uncalled bet of $65 returned to Hero
Hero mucks
Hero wins the pot ($85)

Summary
Total pot $88 | Rake $3
Board:8c4sQsAcJc
Seat 1: MantaForce (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Hero (small blind) collected ($85), mucked
Seat 3: MrBlueDuck (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Arse-Analfan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: rumnchess folded on the River
Seat 6: McQQueen didn't bet (folded)
should I bet smaller/bigger? I tried to rep a missed spadeflush but it didnt work out (it was a VB)

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def_jammer   Germany. May 08 2009 11:05. Posts 1227

what you expect him to call with? KQ?

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remember87   Sweden. May 08 2009 11:08. Posts 521

yeah.. he is very competent so if he thinks I am bluffing he can absolutely call with KQ..

Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter” 

def_jammer   Germany. May 08 2009 11:10. Posts 1227

but what else?


remember87   Sweden. May 08 2009 11:14. Posts 521

is that relevant, if I am ahead I should VB, the question is how much.. if I miss a spadeflush I bet pretty much so if I rep that I must bet big too.. he could have JT, As9s, KQ, dont know.. TT?

Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter” 

remember87   Sweden. May 08 2009 11:19. Posts 521

but I agree.. its a very thin VB.. maybe I should refrace the question, should I VB or C/F? (he has something and he wont bet without beating me)

Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter” 

DustySwedeDude   Sweden. May 08 2009 12:00. Posts 8623

I'd just c/c turn and river. Bet river if he checks behind turn.Had he opened in a later pos I like your line more.


rednalluk   Sweden. May 09 2009 08:39. Posts 626

Is it possible to bet turn and check river? And if so, do you think he will bet worse than an ace? Seems so standard to me to bet the ace that it might be possible to make him vb worse because i thought you tried to bluff the ace. Or is this logic super-flawed?


remember87   Sweden. May 10 2009 07:39. Posts 521

when I bet against this opponent on the turn I absolutely think he will call with an KQ etc and some spadedraws, but the river is not a blank.. if he had a draw on the turn he often hit it in some way on the river (made a pair etc) - so he wont bet those on the river. and he wont bet KQ either for value.
So: if he has me he will VB, if he doesnt have me he wont bet (unless if hes on a total bluff, like 56s - but I dont think he has that too often.) So my only chance of getting value was to VB very thin and hope he thinks I am on a bluff..
but if I go for the bet turn, check river line I probably must fold to a bet on the river..

it would be interesting to hear a pro diskuss this hand. I actually rep something very strong and I could have a lot: the T9s got there, the backdoorflush got there, I could have AJ etc. when I think about the hand, maybe I went for too thin value (I might have liked it more if the river was a Jh). maybe a C/F would have been better?

Vegetarian - an old indian word for ”bad hunter” 

 

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