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Handnr: 580521
Submitted by : Syntax

PokerStars Game #22569570975: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/12/02 18:55:26 ET
Table 'Rabe III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($618.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Bora999 ($86.10 in chips)
Seat 4: MuckeDBoY ($609 in chips)
Seat 6: IglooKing ($726 in chips)
Seat 7: Waitforriver ($676.90 in chips)
Seat 8: da produca ($618 in chips)
Seat 9: AmPHisbaenA ($624 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $3
32rrew: is sitting out
32rrew leaves the table
Bora999: posts big blind $6

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero QhQd
jamba83 joins the table at seat #2
MuckeDBoY: folds
IglooKing: folds
Waitforriver: folds
da produca: raises $12 to $18
AmPHisbaenA: raises $42 to $60
Hero : calls $57
Bora999: folds
da produca: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $144.00)

   9cKc7c
Hero : checks
AmPHisbaenA: checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $144.00)

   9cKc7c5s
Hero : checks
AmPHisbaenA: bets $81
Hero : calls $81

River (Pot : $306.00)

   9cKc7c5sKh
Hero : checks
AmPHisbaenA: bets $222
Hero : calls $222

Showdown
AmPHisbaenA: shows KdAd (three of a kind, Kings)
Hero : mucks hand
AmPHisbaenA collected $747 from pot

Summary
Total pot $750 | Rake $3
Board  9cKc7c5sKh
Seat 1: Hero (small blind) mucked QhQd
Seat 3: Bora999 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: MuckeDBoY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: IglooKing folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Waitforriver folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: da produca folded before Flop
Seat 9: AmPHisbaenA (button) showed KdAd and won ($747) with three of a kind, Kings

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sirracksalot   United States. Dec 02 2008 19:02. Posts 2299

sometimes i touch myself thinking about you

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Syntax   United States. Dec 02 2008 19:03. Posts 4415

not good

wut wut wut 

sirracksalot   United States. Dec 02 2008 19:05. Posts 2299

hubert is looking for you on aim

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Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Dec 02 2008 19:06. Posts 4697

I 4bet pre 125% of the time


sirracksalot   United States. Dec 02 2008 19:06. Posts 2299


  On December 02 2008 18:03 Syntax wrote:
sexy time



hawt

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Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Dec 02 2008 19:06. Posts 4697

unless AmPHisbaenA is a 9/5 rock, in which case I fold pre


Syntax   United States. Dec 02 2008 19:09. Posts 4415

i have him at 13/11
dont know about him, but just know that tags with stats like those are capable of 3betting co open from btn a wider range than AK/AA/KK which is what you're saying right? Definitely add in JJ/QQ AK/AQ/AJ/JT/possibly some more sc / suited aces

so folding pf i think is a leak

But yeah if you have him at 9/5 i definitely fold pf as well.




also produca is 17/11 reg. so definitely capable of being an easy target for a 3bet from a TAG... like 13/11

wut wut wutLast edit: 02/12/2008 19:11

Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Dec 02 2008 19:12. Posts 4697

The reason I 4bet here is that because both their ranges are pretty damn wide if they defend somewhat decently, which means I can do it as a bluff as well. Also, cold calling a 3bet shows just as much strength if not more then 4betting, and also allows them to take a flop.


Syntax   United States. Dec 02 2008 19:14. Posts 4415

this is true, however, if you 4bet you're essentially folding out anything you beat and only getting action from hands that have you crushed or a flip (AK)

him and I have no history together, so unless he's completely crazy (which doesn't seem to be the case judging from what i've seen so far) he's not 5bet shoving AQ/JJ here nearly enough to 4bet.

I am sacrificing equity by calling out of position and letting them see a flop, but i have the chance to win more by outplaying them rather than when i 4bet and shut all doors to let the hand play itself, which is, they fold or they shove (and i have to always call - odds/range)

you gotta be confident in your post flop skills though. usually 4betting is good if you're bad postflop i guess. youre just not optimizing value...

i was like 80% sure i was good here :/

wut wut wutLast edit: 02/12/2008 19:24

Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Dec 02 2008 19:22. Posts 4697

Uh, I'm pretty confident in my postflop play. It's just that I don't see the neccesity of getting myself in tough spots oop when I can put them in tough spots instead pf. If you have no history yet, you have to start somewhere.


Syntax   United States. Dec 02 2008 19:24. Posts 4415

alright lol...

wut wut wut 

Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Dec 02 2008 19:26. Posts 4697

Don't understand the lol. When you flat the 3bet oop your range is so incredibly defined as JJ+ that he should be able to play perfectly against you. I mean, what other hands do you flat a 3bet with here oop? I think 4betting here actually increases your range in villain's eyes, or at least it should.


Trey   United States. Dec 02 2008 19:28. Posts 5616

I almost wanna fold pre. FR against a raise and reraise from a 17/11 and 13/11?


Syntax   United States. Dec 02 2008 22:54. Posts 4415

Good point, Artanis
srsly

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patmcgroin   Afghanistan. Dec 04 2008 01:43. Posts 830

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