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Handnr: 1080693
Submitted by : Stroggoz

PokerStars Zoom Hand #185529664102: Holdem No Limit ($2.50/$5.00) - 2018/04/22 7:10:39 ET
Table Lambda Velorum 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Maxim737 ($502.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Stroggos_nz ($1033.85 in chips)
Seat 3: AllTooNew ($549.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Ch33s3z0r ($985.70 in chips)
Seat 5: tinnoemulder ($730.10 in chips)
Stroggos_nz: posts small blind $2.50
AllTooNew: posts big blind $5

Dealt to Stroggos_nz JcAs
Ch33s3z0r: folds
tinnoemulder: folds
Maxim737: folds
Stroggos_nz: raises $10 to $15
AllTooNew: calls $10

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $30.00)

Stroggos_nz: bets $8.84
AllTooNew: calls $8.84

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $47.68)

Stroggos_nz: bets $14.04
AllTooNew: calls $14.04

River (Pot : $75.76)

Stroggos_nz: checks
AllTooNew: bets $54.57
Stroggos_nz: calls $54.57

AllTooNew: shows Kc8s (a pair of Deuces)
Stroggos_nz: shows JcAs (a pair of Deuces - Ace kicker)
Stroggos_nz collected $181.90 from pot

Total pot $184.90 | Rake $3
Board  2s5s2d4sQh
Seat 1: Maxim737 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Stroggos_nz (small blind) showed JcAs and won ($181.90) with a pair of Deuces
Seat 3: AllTooNew (big blind) showed Kc8s and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 4: Ch33s3z0r folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: tinnoemulder folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 22 2018 18:47. Posts 14681

What a shifty sizing from him haha
Easiest snap ever

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lebowski   Greece. Apr 22 2018 19:13. Posts 9008

what would a good sizing from him be? 2xpot?
edit: I thought you said shitty not shifty heh
I guess you'd prefer something like 1/3 then? Still seems like an easy call

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...Last edit: 22/04/2018 19:43

lebowski   Greece. Apr 22 2018 19:19. Posts 9008

I'm also having trouble thinking of hands that benefit from 1/3 sizing on turn that aren't what we basically have or similar, any ideas?
Also what good hands do we balance this with ?
Nut flushes? (again on the turn)

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...Last edit: 22/04/2018 19:41

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 22 2018 20:28. Posts 8505

this guy's nick is very familiar to me... it might be one the guys that coached me but not too sure since I stopped playing like 16 months ago

  On April 22 2018 17:47 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
What a shifty sizing from him haha
Easiest snap ever

Dont think Stroggoz could ever fold As anyway

 Last edit: 22/04/2018 20:42

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 23 2018 10:55. Posts 14681

I meant shitty lol
Cool missclick haha to keep you guessing
Look at what he reps and the amount of bluffs he can have vs the sizings from Stroggoz
especially if he bets hands like K8o too
he just used the sizing where it's not believeable he can have any light vbets

This is a clear overbet or check

Or half pot vs exploitive playing regs who won't just close eyes call % of their range

He just had no clue and was clicking buttons because Khi hurrdurr,

Would be surprised if Stroggoz didn't own him in this spot in terms of EV

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 23 2018 11:01. Posts 8505

I agree with 1/2pot or overbet ye

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 23 2018 11:06. Posts 14681

I feel like people are just bad vs normal sizes, loads of money to be made and I like to play it simple so I don't play the small bet OTT

But guess if you want to play stars you do what Stroggoz does and make people do these mistakes

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 23 2018 11:19. Posts 4110

I don't think it's a clear overbet or check his sizing makes perfect sense with Qx, and Qx makes up a portion of his range. really i think if you plug a lot of sizes into pio it will pick from a wide range of them, a mixed strategy would have a wide range of value hands that get to the river this way.

I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_auLast edit: 23/04/2018 11:29

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 23 2018 15:36. Posts 14681

A portion...maybe I'm just underestimating how large
But it's hard to argue that with heavy mixes almost any size is good with wide ranges if controlled well... Question is if humans really do it

Seems like an obvious spot where almost nobody would have a coherent strategy with multiple mixed sizes and actual solid range especially with this one

And pio is basically a kid's toy, it'll be hilarious when the computing capacity gets far enough that actual optimal poker will be available easily to be analysed and people try to replicate the impossible mix of combos and sizes xD

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