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Handnr: 1079839
Submitted by : fira

PokerStars Hand #00000000000000001: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 3000/08/08 11:11:11 MSK [3000/08/08 11:11:11 ET]
Table Bovada II 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1: Small Blind ($40.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Big Blind ($27.97 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG ($16.80 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG+1 ($40.45 in chips)
Seat 5: UTG+2 ($57.11 in chips)
Seat 6: Dealer [ME] ($25.00 in chips)
Small Blind: posts small blind $0.10
Big Blind: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Dealer [ME] AsTs
UTG: folds
UTG+1: folds
UTG+2: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Dealer [ME]: calls $0.75
Small Blind: folds
Big Blind: calls $0.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $2.25)

   2s3cJh
Big Blind: checks
UTG+2: checks
Dealer [ME]: bets $0.80
Big Blind: calls $0.80
UTG+2: calls $0.80

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $4.65)

   2s3cJhQd
Big Blind: bets $3.03
UTG+2: calls $3.03
Dealer [ME]: raises $20.42 to $23.45 and is all-in
Big Blind: raises $2.97 to $26.42 and is all-in
UTG+2: calls $23.39

River (Pot : $80.94)

   2s3cJhQd3h

Showdown
Big Blind: shows 2d2c (full house, Twos full of Threes)
UTG+2: shows JdJc (full house, Jacks full of Threes)
Dealer [ME]: shows AsTs (one pair, Threes)

Summary
Total main pot $73.24 | Rake $2.00
Total side pot $5.80
Board  2s3cJhQd3h
Seat 1: Small Blind folded before Flop
Seat 2: Big Blind showed 2d2c and lost with full house, Twos full of Threes
Seat 3: UTG folded before Flop
Seat 4: UTG+1 folded before Flop
Seat 5: UTG+2 showed JdJc and won ($78.24) with full house, Jacks full of Threes
Seat 6: Dealer [ME] showed AsTs and lost with one pair, Threes

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fira   United States. Mar 08 2018 06:30. Posts 6277

so my value range on turn is pretty much just 22, 33, and QJ. though i may have a lot of QJ

don't think i can call turn bet even though it's multiway? so this seemed like the type of hand to bluff, as it has equity vs everything.

however i don't block any value hands that opponents may have, aside from maybe AQ (which may fold anyway)...

would it better to bluff with a 2, 3, or J instead, since then we will block value hands? the problem with that is when they do call with a set/2pair, we are pretty much dead

or perhaps not have a raising range at all on the turn? hmm

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Mar 08 2018 09:48. Posts 4049

i wouldn't bluff here because I don't think they fold enough. Seems pretty risky given the action.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 08 2018 10:30. Posts 14530

You rep zero value hands hahaha

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 08 2018 10:31. Posts 14530

Why would you play when this way, and you have only 2 combos you should play mixed between 3bet and call pre anyway

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 08 2018 10:34. Posts 14530

Stroggoz is being nice, this is a fucking spew dude hahaha you even block the random TQ, badly flatted AQ these geniuses might bet fold to a shove

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fira   United States. Mar 08 2018 12:49. Posts 6277

well, do you guys think it would be better to have a raising range here or only a calling range?

if we have a raising range, we can't only raise sets/2pairs, or could we?


  On March 08 2018 09:31 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
Why would you play when this way, and you have only 2 combos you should play mixed between 3bet and call pre anyway


hmm i don't really mix pre very much. so i have all 22, 33, and all QJs. sometimes i might 3bet QJo, sometimes i might call.

what would be the advantage to sometimes 3betting 22, 33, and QJs here? at this stack depth it seems unnecessary to have those hands in our 3bet range, and calling seems more +ev than 3bet?

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fira   United States. Mar 08 2018 12:52. Posts 6277


  On March 08 2018 09:34 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
Stroggoz is being nice, this is a fucking spew dude hahaha you even block the random TQ, badly flatted AQ these geniuses might bet fold to a shove


hmm it's true that i block hands like JT, QT, AJ, AQ, KT, T9, T8 that may bet/fold.

perhaps 65s or 64s would be better bluffs? such hands would also block some bet/folds though, from similar hands (65, 54, 64, A4, A5)

undecided about bluffing with a one-pair hand like A3s or JTs here...

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 08 2018 13:17. Posts 14530

QJo's a snapfold
QJs the EVs are the same for call and 3bet more or less, these hands vs unknowns you can just click buttons or use RNG and then go with always 3b or fold based on opponents stack depth etc.


And jam seems bad here with anything especially when you have just 22 33 and 1-2 QJ combos
You should be calling and have a low freq small raise range

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fira   United States. Mar 08 2018 14:38. Posts 6277

woah small raise range o.o

... that seems good actually! we can do that with some one-pair hands that can't really call. and it puts pretty much just as much pressure on this board against one-pair value betting hands like Qx. interesting, that is something i NEVER do, but i actually think it's the best play here o.o

but QJo fold preflop in BT vs CO? idk about that... i'm nearly always 3betting at ~100bb. deeper it's more of a call imo.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 08 2018 16:06. Posts 14530

dude it's not 2009xD QJo's a clear fold definitely not 3bet
you don't 3bet with the "top of your preflop folding range" that shit died out with dinosaurs xD (except bvb but even there it's heavy mixes)

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fira   United States. Mar 08 2018 16:44. Posts 6277

it's a 3bet because of blocker value imo. QJo blocks AQ KQs AJs KJs QJs QTs JTs QQ JJ. not many hands with better blocker value. whether this translates to "top of preflop folding range" or not, i'm not sure. what would be a better way to gauge whether a hand is a 3bet or not? whether it can stand a 4bet?

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 08 2018 19:26. Posts 14530

Blockers + post flop playability +board coverage + range control so youre not way out of line
You block the very hands ppl fold here like qto jto kjo
Any Ax has way better blocker and it takes out 4b bluffing hands
And it's still way too loose to 3b every axo for the other reasons

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SleepyHead   . Mar 08 2018 22:14. Posts 860

I think raise to 9 or 10 is better than jamming with whatever you decide to raise with

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 09 2018 01:10. Posts 14530

I just checked Snowie
And the size on turn is literally a clickback +1bb (.25% pot) with a very low frequency and I really like it here (6.5bb)

I haven't been using these click back raises but I keep seeing them more and more

It might be another thing to work out after the 25% bets/leads (that i still get wrong sometimes like that XXXA board haha stroggoz)

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 09 2018 03:52. Posts 14530

not with AT tho thats's still a foken spew xD

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casinocasino   Canada. Mar 10 2018 23:06. Posts 3309

Reraise preflop. Give up turn as played


 

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