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Handnr: 1048784
Submitted by : fira

PokerStars Hand #1213747458: No Limit Holdem ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2015/01/22 14:29:07 ET
Table Blue Kiss 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 7: Hero ($35.32 in chips)
Seat 10: CelestialA ($28.87 in chips)
Seat 9: kato74 ($5 in chips)
Seat 8: yaartembob ($12.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Messier11 ($18.71 in chips)
Seat 6: safedave ($21.45 in chips)
Messier11: posts small blind $0.10
safedave: posts big blind $0.25

Dealt to Hero QdAd
Hero: raises $0.60 to $0.85
yaartembob: folds
kato74: folds
CelestialA: raises $2.05 to $2.90
Messier11: folds
safedave: folds
Hero: raises $3.88 to $6.78
CelestialA: raises $7.13 to $13.91
Hero: folds
CelestialA collected $13.91 from main pot

Total pot $13.91 | Rake $0
Seat 7: Hero folded before Flop
Seat 10: CelestialA mucked
Seat 9: kato74 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: yaartembob folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Messier11 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: safedave (big blind) folded before Flop

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fira   United States. Jan 22 2015 17:35. Posts 6345

villain 20% 3bet

should i just call pre? it feels awkward being OOP.

also villain is 100% cbet flop (5/5), 0% cbet turn (0/1)

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 Last edit: 22/01/2015 17:36

goose58   United States. Jan 22 2015 19:36. Posts 871

Well you didn't post his other stats or sample size, so if his 3bet % from this position is really 20% over a medium/large sample (which I doubt it is over the long run), then 4betting is good OOP(with the intention of getting it in) because your hand does great against that range.

Against a more normal 3bet range a call is more standard.

You shouldn't 4bet here without a clear plan for each of his possible actions.

Calling the 3bet preflop is certainly +EV, we are way ahead of his perceived range and AQs strengthens our OOP 3bet calling range . 4bet folding is typically a mistake with such a good hand. 4bet calling can be a mistake if your opponent never 5bets less than premiums, but it can be great if they are a spaz or leveling themselves

So the answer is: it depends

chris   United States. Jan 22 2015 22:19. Posts 5498

i think if you are going to build large pots pre, i think you should do this with a plan, and if not, avoid the large pot - mistakes are much more costly.

if you have to ask about this hand, probably just fold to his 3bet, being out of position, because you seem a bit lost about what to do. not saying to sound critical or anything, but even calling the 2.90, thats essentially 12 bb to see a flop, and you know hes 100% cbet, but a 5/5 also indicates a small hand sample and could mean multiple things. considering his perceived aggression and your stacks, just about any flop should have quite a few predetermined outcomes knowing what you know, so you will probably be calling almost all flops, even floating, to get to the turn and re-evaluate because you'd be unclear about his hand, and at that point you've committed 7 or 8 dollars....30-40bb, just to get to the point of "well, do i really want to play this hand"

if you are going to 4bet, and you have no info on how he responds to 4bets, probably be ready to go with it if hes super high 3bet and no ones challenged him. if others have 4 bet and hes folded, and he 5bets you like that, probably be ready to pitch AQ. but 4betting just because you werent sure you should call his 3bet pre doesnt mean you should have 4bet. it just became an expensive "do i want to play this hand" moment

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