molswi isnt one to make big folds at all so if he is betting for value which it seems like he is he is never folding, I'd just call or fold

yeah this is really bad, 2nd diamond onboard makes your turn flatting range way wider with many overcards you could have floated the flop and he isnt afraid of 2 pairs with a big chunkc of his value range etc, this is spewy at best

And as loco said, molswi loves his hero calls

fake hh posted to get action on nuts in the future

ah, for some reason he always folds vs me lol

and obv calling river is out of the question haha, funny anyone would ever consider that

its a terrible spot to bluff and he might give you extra credit for it, but thats pretty much "i know that he knows" and there isnt much that cant be said about that.

If you think under that line then I dont know why you think calling is out of the question, its also a explitivly terrible spot to bluff and he knows it so actually its somewhat an alike situation than your river shove.

so you're saying when you raise here you're 100% in value? and you can't be exploited?

On February 21 2014 23:41 Fayth wrote: so you're saying when you raise here you're 100% in value? and you can't be exploited?

lol wat, when did I say such thing? obv if you do something 100% (with a few exeptions) you can be exploited.

What im saying is that I think Molswi will call here a high % of the time but also I think that:

well if ur gonna bluff it's exactly the kind of hand u should do it with, prob better with T9 but w/e

On February 22 2014 00:13 Fayth wrote: well if ur gonna bluff it's exactly the kind of hand u should do it with, prob better with T9 but w/e

T9 has to be one of the hands we call with unless we think he is extremely unbalanced given the amount of times he shows up with AT which i think its reasonable to asume he 3 barrels those

You don't raise 100% value yet you don't raise one of the best bluffing hands? What gives

did it work?

On February 22 2014 06:50 LemOn[5thF] wrote: You don't raise 100% value yet you don't raise one of the best bluffing hands? What gives

you get with a hand like that on the river at a very higher frecuency than the one needed to be balanced against a very high calling range from molswi.

Also fayth was agreeing before with me that people were caring too much about balance, and while Molswi is somebody you want to be balanced against, I dont really like doing so when the T9 combos are counterfeited and making him way more likely to call with overpairs, its not like its a super common spot to be balanced, might want to save it to a situation when your T9 combos are still in play

The real question in this hand is not whether to raise or not, but what are the best hands to raise as a bluff which ofc depends on our value raising range.I would probably fold this hand and maybe raise some air or weak showdown hands that dont contain any q, j or diamonds(hands that block draws that villain might have and is 3barrelling as a bluff). If villain's bet/calling river range is unbalanced though,(e.g he likes to hero call with hands he should normal bet/fold with) we should obv exploit that by not bluff raising the river, or having an unbalanced river raising range consisting mostly of value hands and little bluffs.

On February 22 2014 22:28 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 06:50 LemOn[5thF] wrote: You don't raise 100% value yet you don't raise one of the best bluffing hands? What gives you get with a hand like that on the river at a very higher frecuency than the one needed to be balanced against a very high calling range from molswi. Also fayth was agreeing before with me that people were caring too much about balance, and while Molswi is somebody you want to be balanced against, I dont really like doing so when the T9 combos are counterfeited and making him way more likely to call with overpairs, its not like its a super common spot to be balanced, might want to save it to a situation when your T9 combos are still in play

Yeah makes sense with the 2 paired

The balance thing seems really simple to me in practice (albeit hard to do/takes hard work) - figure what your frequency should be to be balanced based on value combos you have there, then if your value range is narrow/constant just skew your bluffing range based on what you know about villain, just use the Bayesian theorem thingy, the stronger reads you have the more you skew your range - if he folds too much, increase the bluff ratio from optimal and vice versa. Same with calls etc.

Why I was surprised at that A8 fold you were mentioning when villain's unknown - folding or calling 100% bluff catchers or never bluffing when your range is reasonably wide just means you basically own the guy, his range is very exploitable and you know exactly which way. Which is hard to do vs regs when you suck at poker *cough* xD