tough call on the river

so push all in turn to avoid it ?

if he calls otr (as he did) its problably because he knows villain loves to bluff here on the turn, so why throw him out of the hand by shoving?

100 % push on the turn ...cant be what you said because he thinks its a tough call on the river

he knows I don't have QJ in my range or flushdraws because I cbet all of those, on the turn when I raise his bet,I rep airballs and something like 9T, 59 or 99
and he can rep QJ or flushdraws perfectly, ( althought I don't expect he 3bets the turn with a naked flushdraw because he won't have odds to call if I shove over and that's why I called the river )

so he knows that I don't have the nuts and decided to 3bet and make me fold my air, I believe his range is pretty wide since regs defend like 70% in the bb vs miniraise and he knows that I have a lot of air and "weak" hands on the turn that I went for thin valueraise, it's a good spot for him to be 3betting the turn like that

he shoved the river pretty quickly, I thought it was a good spot for him to be shoving as bluff since I never have a flush or a straight, and giving the info that I knew that his 3betting turn range was pretty wide I thought he would be showing some random hands like gutshots or worst, as he showed J8o I don't know if my call is good because I'm still not sure if he's really 3betting light as I thought on the turn, he has QJo and 78o in his range that got there, and as he 3bet OESDRAW on the turn I think my read that he wouldn't be 3betting flushdraws on the turn might not be accurate

I don't think shoving the turn makes any sense, I will only get paid by QJ most of the time, and I will make him fold all his draws that he will be folding correctly

i like it except the river was a diamond, ugh.

you logic is flawed, he knows you don't have the nuts on the turn, so you are never going to 4bet ship over his 3bet

I thought after the session and he's obv 3betting everydraw on the turn

but I don't think he's good enough to know that I prob doesnt have a shoving range on the turn, people do not shove only the nuts

it's more like calling with a draw oop without SD value doesn't make sense, that's the reason why he 3bet the turn prob

turn play was fine, jamming turn is bad against someone who isn't a fish

river seems kinda close, good call though