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NewbSaibot United States. Jun 07 2010 00:07. Posts 4948

Decided to take a minbuy shot of $100 at live 1/2 today after doing well playing shallow tables on FTP. I seem to play a lot better when im risking less and freerolling profits so I wanted to see how it would translate over to live. Played for 8 hours starting with $100 buyin, grinded it up to $400, catch an OESFD, board pairs and I miss, so I ship river on a bluff and get check/called by a boat lolz.

Drop to $200, get AA, ship a 4way flop on KJ4cc after 2 people donk into me, GET FOUR CALLERS LOL, thats right an $800 pot, and some guy scoops the whole thing with A2cc on the river. Dont even know what the other guys had. GG.

And wtf is this; Some nit makes an uncharacteristic $22 preflop raise UTG, everyone folds, and the SB ships $140 and flips up 88 after UTG folds, and says "i had to protect my hand". And UTG raiser like never raises. He looked pretty pissed that he folded but whatever, random.

I was very pleased with my live performance as usual, and hope to take more shots again soon. After reading some guys blog on 2p2 who played homegames and ran up a 30k roll and then moved to vegas and now plays 2/5 for a living I have some newfound motivation. For starters I will never again take my live earnings and donate them online. Once I have built a live roll I will probably try to play live exclusively. Besides I need to get in the habit of driving around and sitting in a chair for hours if this is what I intend to do. It's also a super sweet spot for me since I'm just outclasses at NL400+, but am right in my comfort zone at NL200 and it's live counterpart, which means I'm also comfortable with playing 2/5 live..... probably... maybe even 5/10, no idea what kind of people play that though.

Ultimately I dont feel buying in half stacked helped me any this time. Maybe online it does b/c I'm just so jaded playing micro stakes, but I dont see myself making any big screwups live where a deep stack is -EV for me. Anyway only note for tonight is to just bluff less lol. At least when it comes down to these monsterous allin bluffs. I dont mind raising some $15 donkbet to $50 or some shit, but it ends there.

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bye now

Carthac United States. Jun 07 2010 01:35. Posts 1343

I seriously considered going live completely, but after some analysis of the 2 situations, and the pros and cons, I believe online grinding is the only way to go. Let me explain my reasons:

Pros

1. Extremely soft games, especially at certain times of the week. People seem to actually want to give you their money in certain spots, and many fish HATE aggression and being pushed around, so this is very easily manipulated.

2. Atmosphere is pretty fun, however I suppose this will become less of a factor when you begin to grind at the casino

Cons

1. Casino rake may as well be statutory rape for how much they take. If they have a bad beat jackpot as well, I believe that is even more taken from each hand.

2. Money spent on a daily basis can accrue over time. You have to think of: gas/transportation money, food for long sessions, dealers do not say it but basically EXPECT tips now. Not many do, but some buy drinks over long sessions, etc. etc.

3. The time spent grinding live as compared to online is exponentially higher. You are playing usually 1/4 to 1/5 of the hands you would be playing online, so you can basically compare playing 200NL to grinding 4-6 tables of NL25 or NL50.

4. Along with the shorter time period comes much higher variance. Unless you are actually rolled for NL200, which most people that play live are not, your roll will fluctuate. The variance is better live than online as if you play right, you can almost always assume you are a favorite because of the softness of the game, but you still have to factor it in. Have a bad day of variance playing NL200 live and you can lose a quarter to a half of your roll.

While I'm sure it can be done, I think you should give playing online another shot. Having 4 way all-ins is fun once in a while, but grinding it seemed like it would literally turn your life into a grind.

Jhyun88 United States. Jun 07 2010 05:07. Posts 1383

I've never even played 1 hand of live poker before... but Carthac seems like he's giving a good advice.

exalted United States. Jun 07 2010 06:15. Posts 2918

the problem is that newbsaibot is very likely unable to beat nl25 online (which isn't embarrassing as it's not that easy compared to like nl200 live)

im thinking about going to macau to play a month of strictly live, but i'd be playing the equivalent of nl500+

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exalted United States. Jun 07 2010 06:16. Posts 2918

that said i always enjoy reading newbsaibot's blogs

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Dogan0s United States. Jun 07 2010 11:25. Posts 902

me and 2 more friends arranged a home game last saturday.
I was supposed to be dealing , cause we had 5%rake with 20E nonbe top on a 2/2 game.
We were missing few players so i decided to sit n play myself aswell and get someone else to be dealin.

Run bit good , won JJvs J5 for 200E , QQ vs A10 fro 200 more , AK vs A10 200 more and my OESFD hit on a 300E pot to take home 550 and little more in less than 3 hours.other than my draw (in which villain was bluffing btw -.-) rest hands i dont thing i did anything special other than avoiding getting sucked out.

what i want to say is that for e.g. a nl25-50 who is breakeven on stars can easily play 1/2 or 2/2 live and do even better than he does online.

Last edit: 07/06/2010 11:32