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mnj   United States. May 15 2010 19:49. Posts 3848
Alot of these spots or somewhat boring/common and villain depending but If you could keep your advice as specific as possible. Some spots look similar but are different other spots are pretty much repeats. Please feel free to comment only a few hands.

As always I appreciate any feedback.

Hand 1: Do you double barrel here with the added equity? Or do you prefer c/calling and not getting blown off with a hand with so much equity. Do you call here? Do we have any implied odds watsoever? We can stack a flush sometimes, but will get stacked by a fullhouse sometimes
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Hand 2: In the big blind with position on a fish but oop against a reg. Do we 3-bet here or just call and see a flop? What is more +ev?
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Hand 3: Similar to hand 2 except we are UTG raiser, and once again behind a fish but oop a reg.
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Hand 4: Do you think it's better to v-bet turn or river? Which looks bluffier? I currently think checking behind looks like i have TT-QQ, but i don't think i would bet river. but i wouldn't bet turn with TT-QQ either. Maybe flop-min raise is bluffiest?
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Hand 5: Does villain c/call a 9 here or does he bet it out? I'm basically asking do you guys like to vbet turn? turn is scare card but i'm clearly not trying to bluff. does betting turn maybe fold out higher pocket pairs and get draws to call?
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Hand 6: V-bet turn or vbet safe riveR? Villain can't call with much except for 88-99, so vbet turn to get flush draws as well?
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Hand 7: Is there any reason to check the turn? Once again I don't know whether to bet turn or river :/ or if it even matters (just trying to max all EV as much as possible)
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dUUd_   Estonia. May 15 2010 20:31. Posts 1840

hand1: i like bet/fold more than check/call
hand2: your hand is too strong to 3bet/fold against utg, also 120bb effective w/ fish so i call and play postflop, donkleading certain flops to put utg in a spot where he has to play his hand faceup.
hand3: ez muck
hand4: if no history then bet/shove, if with history i like poping flop.
hand5: 3betpot 3way tbh. i don't like 3betting, i don't like cbetting. once i cbet i'm done with this hand.
hand6: i'd just 4bet pre and get it in BvB if he is anywhere near agressive.
hand7: once he checks he is done with hand

redsnuff: bets all in with bad preflop hand and tell me to learn poker redsnuff: senceless 

Mariuslol   Norway. May 15 2010 20:55. Posts 4742

First hand I sometimes C bet, not often, most of the time It's check fold for me. A flop like that, the villain ain't gonna fold to just 1 bet, you prolly need to keep firing. If I do fire, I fire again with added equity, like in that hand, flush draw, I'd fire again, and depending on river/villain, I'd decide there what to do depending on how long he spent before he called, and what I put him on.

2nd hand: I prefer calling here, going for just 1 street of value, and am fine with that. If you 3b here, your hand might as well be any 2 cards, because if you get 4b, you're facing AK, KK, QQ, AA almost always. He's raising utg, even liberal regs have like 13% starting hand. And if you 3b you're just getting top range of that with I think. If you just call, might look weak, he might put you on any pair, or something deceptive, and if flop comes 25Q, he might give you 1 or 2 streets of value with a medium pair himself, or Ak etc.

3rd hand: I'd call for the good odds, but I wouldn't be to happy about it, he's 3b you from utg, Id put him on a very strong range, but call since I'm priced in, and play conservative. Would rly help to know the villain better, the higher his 3% the more I'd like calling, the lower, the more careful I'd be

4th hand: I don't know how good of a line it is, but I've had good success with it, I want to bet out here, but make it really small, it doesn't need to be big to get stacks in on the river, that's what going on in the back of my mind. Because people have a tendency to trick themself into going with the hand, or picking up a read, when already in a pot. Make it like 14, surprising how often they'll see it as weakness and jam over the top, or call with TT,JJ,QQ. Then the pot will be 72 or so on the river, and you can get stacks in if he didn't already shove

5th hand, I don't like the raise pre, there are 3 people behind you. As played I'm not sure, I would check it, and maybe call depending on who bet.

6th hand: Also a bit unsure here, because I'd either 4b or fold the hand, usually 4b, as played I'd check turn, and re evaluate on river

7th, also not sure, because I call 3b's so seldom, as played do the small bet on the turn thingy, I like that one


mnj   United States. May 16 2010 00:27. Posts 3848

herm, if you guys want to discuss certain spots i'd love it.

you guys seem to advocate 4 betting even in position? like with JJ is it because the hand is just difficult to play (lots of Axx Kxx boards, not guaranteed to get paid off)? Correct me if I'm wrong (because i don't enjoy losing money ) but i find calling pf and flatting a cbet on the flop vs a polarized range somewhat profitable since often, villain is unable to continue with rags. but 4 betting pf gets us shoved on by nuttier type hands. obviously this is very dependent on villain's 4 betting tendencies and his double barrel frequencies/aggression etc.

but so far i really hate folding so many hands vs 10-18% 3 betters and 4 betting. if anything i started to 4 bet hands like AK, KJ, Ax, 22-66 and flatting AA and KKs as i feel regulars at these limits are so uncomfortable playing post flop.

thoughts? i'd really love to hear your guy's point of view.


exalted   United States. May 16 2010 00:42. Posts 2918

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maxousek   Czech Republic. May 16 2010 06:41. Posts 464


  On May 15 2010 23:42 exalted wrote:
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joLin   United States. May 16 2010 06:54. Posts 3818


  On May 15 2010 23:42 exalted wrote:
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vlseph   United States. May 16 2010 07:11. Posts 3026

hand 2: i like squeeze

hand 3: fold w/o read, he should almost be never bluffing from utg+1 vs an utg raise.

hand 4: bet turn AND river, but i prefer 4 betting preflop to pick up dead moneyz when villain is 3betting us light or if you have right dynamic 5b ship with worse.

hand 5: flat preflop preferred, check it down. fold to another bet.

hand 6: if he's a reg i think i just check it down.

hand 7: turn check is fine, villain dependent. i also dont mind betting something gay like $20 on river depending on his 3b range/frequency.


  On May 15 2010 23:42 exalted wrote:
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not to derail thread but this is in pretty bad taste.

The only hands a nit balances in his range are the nuts, the second nuts, and the third nuts. 

Kilay   Netherlands. May 16 2010 07:16. Posts 1960


  On May 16 2010 05:54 joLin wrote:
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i hope all midstakes posters see this and do this to you every time you make a thread from now on.


Omg, QFT !! I hope that nobody on this forum ever gives you free advice from now on !!


Mariuslol   Norway. May 16 2010 07:58. Posts 4742


  On May 15 2010 23:42 exalted wrote:
i can give you very good answers to these questions for 30 dollars, let me know if interested



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Mariuslol   Norway. May 16 2010 08:02. Posts 4742


  On May 15 2010 23:27 mnj wrote:
herm, if you guys want to discuss certain spots i'd love it.

you guys seem to advocate 4 betting even in position? like with JJ is it because the hand is just difficult to play (lots of Axx Kxx boards, not guaranteed to get paid off)? Correct me if I'm wrong (because i don't enjoy losing money ) but i find calling pf and flatting a cbet on the flop vs a polarized range somewhat profitable since often, villain is unable to continue with rags. but 4 betting pf gets us shoved on by nuttier type hands. obviously this is very dependent on villain's 4 betting tendencies and his double barrel frequencies/aggression etc.

but so far i really hate folding so many hands vs 10-18% 3 betters and 4 betting. if anything i started to 4 bet hands like AK, KJ, Ax, 22-66 and flatting AA and KKs as i feel regulars at these limits are so uncomfortable playing post flop.

thoughts? i'd really love to hear your guy's point of view.



Hmm, it really depend on what you're comfortable with. I don't want to say anything in stone, because I think I do it because I 3b and squeeze a lot. Because I've been praticing it, but I see lots of people with better results than me who doesn't. And who do call in pos a lot with good results.
I do it because I 3b and 4b with a polarized range a lot, so it's either air, which I can't call a 4b or shove with, or it's JJ+. So that's why I do it, and I think I get payed of lighter, because my 3b/4b is as high so I can get payed off lighter, if you are really tight in that area, and shoving JJ is bottom of your range, then the regulars are gonna get the best of that often I think.

I do think it's ok to call 3b a bit if you're in position, as oposed to OOP where I try and NEVER call it.


YouGoTGoT   United States. May 17 2010 09:30. Posts 1118


  On May 16 2010 06:58 Mariuslol wrote:
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Bann, someone ?


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