Whats left of rights and right of lefts?

• Transparency and auditing of regulation and policy of the Federal Reserve (H.R. 1207 and S. 604)
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• Foreign policy and this ongoing preemptive war on "terror"
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• Health Care
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Here are vids I think are worth watching on the subjects:

• For the issue of the Fed and need for transparency
  
  
• In foreign Policy and direction of the war
  
  
• Health care
  

This is where I am at on these three issues. As you can see, for 2 of the 3 I used voices from the left to express my POV on what I think is right or needed
Hopefully this will at least somewhat clear you hard lefties of future talk in that common assumption of "my" bias (or ppl like me) which is actually in fact your own. It is becoming redundant. Just because I do not share your views does not mean I am whatever is your 100% enemy. Please try to see that.

There are many many other issues of things and the correct answer requires seeing a bigger picture than just left right. Left and right are meant as a guide to understanding and don't really matter so much until you lean so hard one way in your views you no longer see past your own labels of things. Therein lies an increasing majority problem.
I can see where you are coming from, but can you see me? or others?
If we don't wake up soon to this respect we will very much regret it as a nation. I really hope I'm not pulling on the reigns to late. I don't believe I am.

Thanks for your time in reading this. I hope it was worthwhile.
Peace

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Using competing points of view does not automatically exclude you from any inherent bias you already have. Like when a racist claims to have "black friends". Cmon, we all know which side you lean, and that anything you say is going to support that agenda and that point of view one way or the other, no matter how you go about presenting it. Tell me, name some things you approve of that Obama has done. Name some things you approve of that Obama claims he will do.

oh so you can respond...

a real shame ur interpreting my post here as me saying plz exclude me from bias or me claiming I am free of it!
being bias is a human trait and inescapable
I know full good and well where I come from and I've admitted it plenty and obviously with your intellect I will have to do so again and again
where I come from is pnot the issue or the point of what I am saying
the problem lies in where people on the hard left or right like YOU think I come from and where your mind of the way the world works or your way to skin a cat is the only way there ever is or ever should be

both sides, hard lefts and rights are fucking crazy and hypocritical to an extent so high it just boggles my mind I sometimes the self serving feeling I get from it makes me want to throw up
you can't see past your own wants and so to you the government is here for you to provide what you would like on all of us
what a fucking joke you've dealt yourself

and why do I insult your intelligence NeWbSaIboT?
because by the second damn word of your post you have completely missed everything I said
where did I use a competing point of view? can u see how u are not able to get passed your god damn democratic bias?
geezus christ man I'll come back tomorrow after I've not been drinking
I don't have the patience for you atm
one word for you:
tool

Calm down, I dont mean any harm and Im not attacking you. I enjoy your posts and respond only to give voice to the other side of the fence, so you have someone of opposition to banter with. Ive been meaning to respond to your previous blog entries, just been too tired honestly. That and the prevailing fact that nothing I say would change your mind so it does feel like kind of a waste of time But I'll tell you this, for someone who spends so much time on the soapbox, you sure represent that which you claim to hate, a stubborn narrow minded ideologue living with the pain of a world which doesnt resemble your perceptions or your claims, who believes everyone else is wrong and that they are right.

calm? I wasn't pissed off nor am I now
I feel much more a feeling of I should charge you money than any feeling of being irate
Does that make any sense to you? It sums up my feeling of "discussion" with you simply
I sincerely doubt it even makes a dent tho no matter how pretty I make it
so...I will try...again

no offenses intended but I really don't know how else to approach and say this
You see Aibot, I see you in particular as either the most professional troll I've ever seen or the biggest delusional non free thinking person here on LP that I've ever run into (yet)
My conclusions lean much more towards the latter.

Maybe I deserve someone like you who is so constant because I didn't answer SakiSaki simply and give him the answer to what he was asking by saying the reason why I think people hold so much weight into The Constitution as well as my actions with k2o4 in allowing him to think me an Obama NWO conspirator when the reality is I don't think it goes so deep
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I'd level you Aibot but your world is flat enough and there is nothing to be gained from it; which is indeed the whole point of a level.

Speaking candidly Aibot, you are the most misinterpreting person on here at LP and it seems the biggest waste of time.
I say this because in your posts your comprehension/world seem untouchable... mind numbingly closed - and that is really saying something because I like to feel that anyone that actually wants to have an open mind in debate can be talked to and reasoned with - at least there is generally some compromise or respect towards those notions in some way shape or form
But with you I find while there is constant debate, there is nothing as far as reasoning or open mindedness at all and regardless what I say or do in retort with you we both go nowhere.

While u constantly seem to be of the notion and believe me to be a "narrow minded ideologue" who "believes everyone else is wrong and I am right" and never provide a point into how you come to this conclusion of me individually except to say it's in my postings (therefore nothing ever with any actual validity) it then makes you in fact who is completely guilty of this as it's horrendously apparent with every supportive or bashing post u make here in political form.
I am reminded of this quote as I think it applies to you very well, "In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination."
There is a huge middle ground in which for whatever reason you can not or will not see and that is what I am trying to show you; something more than your world and ways. Your discussions, posts and I guess "retorts" are entirely one way - your way - everytime
well, or MSMs way...that works too as they have neatly wrapped up someone like me and delivered who I am in a simpleton package to ppl like you


You remind me of the genre of people that post on youtube.
It takes a buttload of patience to actually try and reason with someone of that general mentality there because not one thing I say or do makes even the smallest dent in your ideology/labels and the chances of it ever doing so is very low as you will just mind numbingly keep prodding forward with yourself like someone spell bound
What's so ironic and funny about it is usually when I run into this mentality there it is from the hardcore rights.
When you run into hard lefties they will usually either come to reason or wrap themselves in their emotion and just ignore u entirely. It is the hard rights that will constantly go on to ignorantly debate you with no real reasoning or anything valid.
hmm maybe I should be honored...eh?


if u can answer me this I'll be seriously impressed...
as you attack me as narrow minded you are so far from grasping anything in which I am saying that it delivers a feeling of being futile so why the hell would I want to even bother moving forward in any discussion with you when between me and u I must move backwards in order for you to catchup?
I know the answer, but do you?

I'll even give u clarification in that in which u say I "hate"
I am against thinking the need of the government as a solution to all of our problems - government is not a problem solver inasmuch as it is just a problem delayer/creator
I am against the folly of thinking that the government will create some better world for all of humanity to live in - it is you and me... the people that must do this - this is not something to blow off and pass onto the government - that is totally ignorant - look at the history of any and all government for starters
I am against thinking any current or previous nationally run system is so worthwhile that it ought to be applied in a higher internationally or worldwide form
I am often against more regulation and more taxation as I think we have plenty of that to say the least and is often not the answer to becoming efficient as it constricts
I am against war and violence unless there is absolutely no other choice

What is very very very funny is I'm sure as they read this the hard lefties do not realize that if we actually took care of ourselves and our problems here at home and in turn created a national system that actually was worthwhile and efficient instead of killing rights and people and empire building, it is THEN that I and people like me would become definitely primarily democratic and would start to push for some expansion or "socialization" that the hard lefts and rights push for upon the world.
We are all hypocrites and this to me is a given, however in today's world the hard rights are huge hypocrites and the hard lefts are just as big and as guilty. The theme of America today has changed to "do as I say not as I do"
I am sorry I can not live by this principle

god lol do u see why I want to charge you and say I don't have the patience for you?
I feel like I just typed a book out and doubt I have even gotten anywhere and should be spending my time in MUCH more important and fruitful matters
in fact much of this post is made not for you Aibot as I fear you won't ever get passed your views and labels enough to actually pose anything worthwhile
in fact quite the opposite result is expected

I end being a blunt ass and saying I think ur full of shit when u say ur to tired to respond to my other posts
I think you are searching for a clue and if you had one you would use it immediately

also I hope u watched those videos
imo they are much more important than anything else in this blog

Look dont even sweat it, I glanced over your post and saw most of it just inflammatory nonsense meant to point out how stupid I am so as I mentioned earlier, conversing with you is ultimately a waste of time since theres not one thing I could ever say that you would ever agree with anyway. Not too long ago I abandoned such political debates on other forums after investing months of time arguing with people only to have them come full circle and show me that they hadnt learned nor listened to a single thing anyone in opposition had said. It literally all just went in one ear and out the other, as they showed me how utterly hopeless they are living in a bubble of rightwing propaganda completely disconnected from current events. They hear something on one of their touted "non-mainstream" news sources and then proceed to regurgitate it for a week because it makes sense when nobody is there to interject. It was such a disappointing realization that I simply left the debate for good. This is how I feel arguing with you. Republicans have always had a keen strategy of providing an endless stream of bullshit information lacking context, and then leaving it up to dems to dissect and figure out if it's true or not. It's a rather great argumentative strategy. You can say shit all day long and unless someone knows all the facts to refute you, this vacuum of truth is created and people dont quite know what to believe. Meanwhile your opposition painstakingly dissproves your statements, by which point you have already spouted off about 15 more, each requiring hours upon hours of rebuttal to correct. It's just not worth it anymore. So pardon me for not debunking all of your sources, fact checking your claims, and finding sources of my own that reveal the whole side of the story and not just that which supports your point of view as proclaimed by whomever you are citing. I've just lost the passion. That, and my political party has won, so I dont really care to hear what your side has to say anymore. It feels like explaining to a child why you have to go to work on a Wednesday when he wants you to go to the park instead. Until Timmy can prove a level of maturity and responsibility to understand matters such as paying bills, theres no point in explaining it to him right now. As long as republicans continue to promot tea parties, little blue books with the solution to the worlds problems, and other embarrassing nonsense, they're just going to be ignored. Maybe in 6-7 years when rightwingers grow up, the rest of the world will give a damn what they have to say.

hahaha ok dude that is srsly toooo funny

only thing I can figure left to say to you Aibot is for some reason my gut nags at me to tell ya I really do think you should join the military
get out and support your nation/society like you talk about
it could get you worldly and amongst other things u'd see just how great your philosophy really is once applied

tho my blunt approach generally has an unintended arrogant/assholic like tone to it for some reason I rarely shake, I did at least try for ya
and after reading this last post you made here, I gather this to be the end of your postings in my blog
so GL!

Check out this email that was being forwarded where I work. I live in the south, and 1 out of 10 vehicles in our firm STILL has a Bush bumper sticker on them.

Here's an excellent letter to the President. The school teacher really nailed him. How many millions of Americans across this Country think exactly what this school teacher has put in this email. What scares me is that every single day - - something surfaces that has been signed as a "Presidential order", or suddenly just appears as law! WHO does this stuff, while we're all sleeping at night? Those printing presses in DC must run night and day. This first (heaven help us), 100 days have been the most destructive period of time in our Nation's history - - - and we don't even know the half of it! April 17, 2009 The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington , DC 20500 Mr. Obama: I have had it with you and your administration, sir. Your conduct on your recent trip overseas has convinced me that you are not an adequate representative of the United States of America collectively or of me personally. You are so obsessed with appeasing the Europeans and the Muslim world that you have abdicated the responsibilities of the President of the United States of America . You are responsible to the citizens of the United States .. You are not responsible to the peoples of any other country on earth. I personally resent that you go around the world apologizing for the United States telling Europeans that we are arrogant and do not care about their status in the world. Sir, what do you think the First World War and the Second World War were all about if not the consideration of the peoples of Europe ? Are you brain dead? What do you think the Marshall Plan was all about? Do you not understand or know the history of the 20th century? Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United S tates does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States ? This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics and the principles governing this country, at least until you came along, come directly from this heritage. Do you not understand this? Your bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia is an affront to all Americans. Our President does not bow down to anyone, let alone the king of Saudi Arabia . You don't show Great Britain, our best and one of our oldest allies, the respect they deserve yet you bow down to the king of Saudi Arabia .. How dare you, sir! How dare you! You can't find the time to visit the graves of our greatest generation because you don't want to offend the Germans but make time to visit a mosque in Turkey .. You offended our dead and every veteran when you give the Germans more respect than the people who saved the German people from themselves. What's the matter with you? I am convinced that you and the members of your administration have the historical and intellectual depth of a mud puddle and should be ashamed of yourselves, all of you. You are so self-righteously offended by the big bankers and the American automobile manufacturers yet do nothing about the real thieves in this situation, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Frank, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelic, the Fannie Mae bonuses, and the Freddie Mac bonuses. What do you intend to do about them? Anything? I seriously doubt it. What about the U.S. House members passing out $9.1 million in bonuses to their staff members on top of the $2.5 million in automatic pay raises that lawmakers gave themselves? I understand the average House aide got a 17% bonus. I took a 5% cut in my pay to save jobs with my employer. You haven't said anything about that. Who authorized that? I surely didn't! Executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be receiving $210 million in bonuses over an eighteen-month period, that's $45 million more than the AIG bonuses. In fact, Fannie and Freddie executives have already been awarded $51 million- not a bad take. Who authorized that and why haven't you expressed your outrage at this group who are largely responsible for the economic mess we have right now I resent that you take me and my fellow citizens as brain-dead and not caring about what you idiots do. We are watching what you are doing and we are getting increasingly fed up with all of you. I also want you to know that I personally find just about everything you do and say to be offensive to every one of my sensibilities. I promise you that I will work tirelessly to see that you do not get a chance to spend two terms destroying my beautiful country. Sincerely, Every real American P.S. I rarely ask that emails be 'passed around'.............PLEASE SEND THIS TO YOUR EMAIL LIST......it's past time for all Americans to wake up! Ms Kathleen Lyday Fourth Grade Teacher Grandview Elementary School 11470 Hwy. C Hillsboro, MO 63050 (636) 944-3291 Phone (636) 944-3870 Fax

I know you arent as rabidly staunch hardline as this person is, but these are literally the people who I spent the better half of a year arguing with prior to Obama's election. And the fact that they STILL think just like this practically brings a tear to my eye. It's emails that get written like this that make me shake my head in shame and say "wow jesus, why do I even bother".

if u know this isn't me and my arguments, then why do u constantly keep throwing me into this category?
when u post in reply to me, ur refute actually doesn't respond to me or any of my points at all as u keep posting points about other things i.e. the republicans that you're in total disagreement with

u are saying there is no difference between me and them, and there is
for example, unlike this well intended teacher, I don't touch religion at all unless someone is forcing their beliefs upon others
you just have to choose whether to see that or not, and there I can't help u
in the end it doesn't matter because when it pertains to me I know whats up

and about that email
there is nothing wrong with creating better foreign relations but I am of the old school motto of "trade with all nations but alliance with none" and that would be my case in point of argument against many a president - including this one
again u won't see me using religion as a reason to be against Obama unless either I'm leveling u or Obama crosses the line in his beliefs
imo Obama hasn't and never technically will - he is way to smart for that

I am trying to help you see the big picture as that is what was done in teh founding of this country that was created (due to the cause of an overreaching government)
the balance was ingeniously found here for you and me
you will see what I mean
I just don't want history to repeat itself to be the wake up call

On June 15 2009 22:49 ToTehEastSide wrote: oh so you can respond... a real shame ur interpreting my post here as me saying plz exclude me from bias or me claiming I am free of it! being bias is a human trait and inescapable I know full good and well where I come from and I've admitted it plenty and obviously with your intellect I will have to do so again and again where I come from is pnot the issue or the point of what I am saying the problem lies in where people on the hard left or right like YOU think I come from and where your mind of the way the world works or your way to skin a cat is the only way there ever is or ever should be both sides, hard lefts and rights are fucking crazy and hypocritical to an extent so high it just boggles my mind I sometimes the self serving feeling I get from it makes me want to throw up you can't see past your own wants and so to you the government is here for you to provide what you would like on all of us what a fucking joke you've dealt yourself and why do I insult your intelligence NeWbSaIboT? because by the second damn word of your post you have completely missed everything I said where did I use a competing point of view? can u see how u are not able to get passed your god damn democratic bias? geezus christ man I'll come back tomorrow after I've not been drinking I don't have the patience for you atm one word for you: tool

lol I actually just reread this
I was pretty drunk here and tho I only recall more of a timewasting buzzkill type feeling when posting it, it seems it brought the soldier out of me and I can totally see how it can be construed as me pissed off - frustrated somewhere to say the least - my bad either way