Dont tilt dont tilt dont tilt dooooooonnnnnntttt !

Full Tilt Poker Game #12202954884: Table Access (6 max) - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:41:38 ET - 2009/05/13
Seat 1: Hero ($5)
Seat 2: eightnine89 ($5)
Seat 3: xmvc ($5.16)
Seat 4: Mukimaki ($7.50)
Seat 5: pytys ($0.25)
Seat 6: Mucka_Mucker ($6.89)
Mucka_Mucker posts the small blind of $0.02
Hero posts the big blind of $0.05
The button is in seat #5

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
eightnine89 raises to $0.15
xmvc folds
Mukimaki folds
pytys has been disconnected
pytys has reconnected
pytys has 15 seconds left to act
pytys calls $0.15
Mucka_Mucker calls $0.13
Hero calls $0.10

Flop (Pot : $0.60)

   
Mucka_Mucker checks
Hero checks
eightnine89 bets $0.45
pytys calls $0.10, and is all in
Mucka_Mucker folds
Hero calls $0.45

Turn (Pot : $1.60)

   
Hero checks
eightnine89 has 15 seconds left to act
eightnine89 checks

River (Pot : $1.60)

   
Hero bets $0.50
eightnine89 has 15 seconds left to act
eightnine89 raises to $1.65
Hero raises to $4.40, and is all in
eightnine89 has 15 seconds left to act
eightnine89 calls $2.75, and is all in

Showdown
Hero shows three of a kind, Fives
eightnine89 shows a flush, Jack high
eightnine89 wins the side pot ($8.87) with a flush, Jack high
pytys mucks
eightnine89 wins the main pot ($0.84) with a flush, Jack high
Hero is sitting out
pytys is sitting out

Summary
Total pot $10.40 Main pot $0.90. Side pot $9.50. | Rake $0.69
Board:
Seat 1: Hero (big blind) showed and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: eightnine89 showed and won ($9.71) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 3: xmvc didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Mukimaki didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: pytys (button) mucked - Ace King high
Seat 6: Mucka_Mucker (small blind) folded on the Flop
Full Tilt Poker Game #12203197402: Table Requa (6 max, deep) - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:55:54 ET - 2009/05/13
Seat 1: Jazzride ($4.44)
Seat 2: Rhythms ($2), is sitting out
Seat 3: Hero ($2.06)
Seat 4: ReverseTwilight ($4.07)
Seat 5: CjEnKsFL0PaA ($2.01)
Seat 6: ACRVC ($7.83)
ACRVC posts the small blind of $0.01
Jazzride posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #5

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero raises to $0.10
ReverseTwilight folds
CjEnKsFL0PaA folds
ACRVC raises to $0.32
Jazzride folds
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to $0.75
ACRVC has 15 seconds left to act
ACRVC raises to $7.83, and is all in
Hero calls $1.31, and is all in
ACRVC shows
Hero shows
Uncalled bet of $5.77 returned to ACRVC

Flop (Pot : $9.14)

   

Turn (Pot : $10.14)

   

River (Pot : $10.14)

   
ACRVC shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Sixes
ACRVC wins the pot ($3.87) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Hero adds $2

Summary
Total pot $4.14 | Rake $0.27
Board:
Seat 1: Jazzride (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Rhythms is sitting out
Seat 3: Hero showed and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 4: ReverseTwilight didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: CjEnKsFL0PaA (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ACRVC (small blind) showed and won ($3.87) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Full Tilt Poker Game #12203196227: Table News (6 max) - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:55:49 ET - 2009/05/13
Seat 1: connmanJ ($2.11)
Seat 2: Hero ($2)
Seat 3: minirake ($2.04), is sitting out
Seat 4: go1975 ($3.82)
Seat 5: kefiros ($0.76)
Seat 6: ksantillie ($2.02)
connmanJ posts the small blind of $0.01
Hero posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #6

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
go1975 folds
kefiros folds
ksantillie calls $0.02
connmanJ folds
Hero checks

Flop (Pot : $9.19)

   
Hero checks
ksantillie bets $0.02
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to $0.11
ksantillie calls $0.09

Turn (Pot : $10.41)

   
minirake has returned
Hero bets $0.27
ksantillie calls $0.27

River (Pot : $10.95)

   
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $1.60, and is all in
ksantillie calls $1.60

Showdown
Hero shows two pair, Aces and Fives
ksantillie shows a flush, Ace high
ksantillie wins the pot ($3.75) with a flush, Ace high
Hero adds $2

Summary
Total pot $4.01 | Rake $0.26
Board:
Seat 1: connmanJ (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Hero (big blind) showed and lost with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 3: minirake is sitting out
Seat 4: go1975 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: kefiros didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ksantillie (button) showed and won ($3.75) with a flush, Ace high
Full Tilt Poker Game #12203140312: Table Epson (6 max) - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:52:22 ET - 2009/05/13
Seat 1: Erycka23 ($2.16)
Seat 2: Hero ($2.53)
Seat 3: Scabo ($0.80)
Seat 5: jphaynes4 ($2.30)
Seat 6: lilradar21 ($0.43)
Erycka23 posts the small blind of $0.01
Hero posts the big blind of $0.02
Scabo posts $0.02
The button is in seat #6

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Scabo checks
jphaynes4 folds
lilradar21 calls $0.02
Haleb sits down
Haleb adds $0.80
Erycka23 has 15 seconds left to act
Erycka23 folds
Hero checks

Flop (Pot : $10.84)

   
Hero checks
Scabo checks
lilradar21 checks

Turn (Pot : $12.06)

   
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $0.07
Scabo folds
lilradar21 calls $0.07

River (Pot : $12.74)

   
Hero bets $0.21
lilradar21 raises to $0.34, and is all in
Hero calls $0.13

Showdown
lilradar21 shows three of a kind, Sevens
Hero mucks
lilradar21 wins the pot ($0.84) with three of a kind, Sevens

Summary
Total pot $0.89 | Rake $0.05
Board:
Seat 1: Erycka23 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Hero (big blind) mucked - two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 3: Scabo folded on the Turn
Seat 5: jphaynes4 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: lilradar21 (button) showed and won ($0.84) with three of a kind, Sevens

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One good thing I did though was keep my HEM session on the screen, so I could immediately quit after losing like this. Really working hard on that whole "staying on while doing well and quitting when doing bad" and not doing the opposite like I usually do, which is staying on long while losing and quitting early when winning.

1. never ever ever ever ever slow play at nl2
2. JJ isn't the nuts pf
3. fine
4. check down river

I only looked at the first hand and it was really really bad. Check-raise the flop and bet turn/river big. Or bet pot flop/turn/river and never check works well too.

Quickly scanned through all your hands; you have some serious post flop leaks. Bit tired to go over the hands right now, but I strongly suggest making some threads on any big pots you won or lost where you didn't simply pot pot shove.

ur just playing bad

On May 13 2009 19:49 edzwoo wrote: I strongly suggest making some threads on any big pots you won or lost

On May 13 2009 21:25 killThemDonks wrote: Show nested quote + On May 13 2009 19:49 edzwoo wrote: I strongly suggest making some threads on any big pots you won or lost

or just continue playing for fun?

most people do that you know, not like it's a necessity to stress yourself out trying to work your way up the ladder.

very few people have what it takes, and if you're tilting hard at nl2, well shit, i'd say this isn't the game for you.

feel lucky you found poker as a fun hobby, instead of blow and hookers

sometimes u jus gotta believe that you are beat

Well it's not even so much that I thought I was beat, I thought I had THEM beat! I thought they were value betting crap top pairs, lucky 2 pairs, etc etc. I cant believe they showed up with these impossible to read draws. Despite how I played it would anybody NOT have gotten their money allin in any of these spots if put to the test? The JJvAA hand was just bad, but I've seen worse. I basically pot comitted myself preflop with the 4bet, however I felt it was good to have some kind of 4bet range so I dont get insta-folds whenever I do it in the future. I guess you could say a hand like this buys me some action next time I have KK+, and has good EQ against all the other random bullshit people stack off with preflop anyway.

I do typically have a stronger betting line, but most of these hands I was in the blinds or just horribly OOP. I find leading out with flop trips in the blinds on a 722 board is such a giveaway. Im not some slowplay maestro, but I didnt see many hands calling so I felt I had to just check flops and hope the turn somehow improved these guys' hands to get paid off in any way.

Considering my lats blog showing the utter randomness that people have I felt most of these hands were a lock.

Tell me what you all think of my thought process in these hands:

Hand1: I'm dealt 55. I dont normally set mine in the SB, but enough people called to give me odds to hit. I hit, so my first thought is UTG raiser hopefully has AK type hand, afterall he's UTG raiser. So I check just to let him fire his cbet which I can collect on, and so as not to make it obvious that I hit bottom set which is what is pretty typical when someone goes apeshit after calling a PFR on a random flop. But I didnt notice the shortstack who just wentallin for less than the bet. I was going to check-raise this flop but I was afraid the UTG guy might just fold hands like MP or TT and below, especially since he's going to get to see my hand at showdown against the shorty who's allin anyway. I didnt want that, so I elect to just call since it screams of a draw, and hope no draw completes on the turn. It doesnt, so I'm really expecting him to bet again, and bet hard, by which point I will be c/r allin. But then he checks. This did kinda freak me out, b/c I knew for sure he would double barrel an ace, especially if it looks like im drawing. Now when the river hits I think to myself "well this sucks because he's gonna think I hit my draw", so I tried to bet it a little weak to get a crying call from weak aces, a shove from 2 pair. But I certainly never expected him to have a draw. You gotta admit, how can I ever think he raised 69s, a hand that he wont double barrel like KQs? So I wrote that one off as a random self-inflicted cooler.

Hand2: Jacks. I had 12 hands at the table and give so little respect to NL2 players I felt happy 4betting JJ. I knew I was screwed when he shoved, but didnt want to fall into that category of players who donate chips by raising almost 50% of their stack and then folding pre. I probably have some serious misconceptions here about how to handle pot commitment.

Hand3: A5o, another lucky catch in the blinds. Since I'm really only up against the LP limper I dont want to scare him off whatever he might have limped with since raising out of the blinds is so often a flopped monster. He bites so to speak, with his minbet, so now I'm cheering b/c I assume he has some kind of ace. I go all the way with it because the deuces dont change anything, and again I just cant really put people on flush draws every single time. I felt this result was unavoidable, K4s? Uhhhh, ok.

Hand4: 58o. Now this hand is just terribly played. I was really just trying something new. I often find in multiway limped pots on rainbow boards like this that nobody has anything ever. But Im not gonna find out betting OOP on the flop, just to get floated by every ace and PP. It gets checked around so now I'm fairly confident everyone missed. Sure the turn brings the chance somebody could hit, but of course I beat a 7. So when I get called here I can really only put someone on a better 8, or a very typical pair of 4's. The river definitely brought an "aw fuck" moment in me, but I'm so used to seeing hands like A4 or 4x I figured "take this donkey's money right now! He WILL call with a 4!" So I went balls out with it hoping I'm up against another ridiculously fishy hand.


Now in conclusion, the way I look at all of this, my reads were technically sound dont you think? They all had the typical ridiculous donkey crap you would expect, and I was way ahead of their range every time. It's just FTP so of course they are going to catch their miracle card that I can never see coming. I think my play was a bit unorthodox (and I dont mean that in a good way) and most likely unnecessary. I was just worried about losing value against fishy villains that completely whiffed. In hindsight we all know the draws are calling even if I lead every street, so if I had just played more newbishly ABC style I would have gotten value just the same assuming they didnt hit.

Alot of the times even if a flush hits and you don't put him on a flush drawn what i like to do is check to that person. Let them think i can let them take it. A lot more often you'll induce people to bluff if a flush hits then to bet into them even though you don't think they had a flush draw. And even if you're wrong it keeps the pot small incase they did hit their flush so you're not dealt with a tough re raise on the river when you originally put the guy on a weak ace or w/e the situation was. Just my 2 cents.

On May 13 2009 20:45 ShaperofDreams wrote: ur just playing bad

take responsibility for your results

i feel kind of bad because you have some major misconceptions about poker:

no. 1: poker is a 5 card game, not a 2 card one, also, there is a river card
no. 2: being tighter preflop than your opposition is an edge, but not a significant one with weak postflop play
no. 3: make less assumptions and play more straightforwardly

i.e.:
"I was going to check-raise this flop but I was afraid the UTG guy might just fold hands like MP or TT and below, especially since he's going to get to see my hand at showdown against the shorty who's allin anyway. I didnt want that, so I elect to just call since it screams of a draw, and hope no draw completes on the turn."

no. 1: who gives a fuck if he's folding those types of hands? with a set, you want to play a huge pot and you will PAY a flush draw with your STACK if it hits, therefore you are giving any draw tremendous implied odds. therefore, you play it hard, and if he folds a hand that won't play for stacks, then you wouldn't have value-towned him regardless of line.

no. 2: "it screams of a draw", another assumption. if you "give these NL2 donks" no respect, why are you trying to play tricky and try to misrepresent your hand? wrong. you are assuming that:
- he will interpret your call as a draw (you don't know this)
- your mistake of slowplaying (fundamental theory of poker) will induce a larger mistake by him (again, you DO NOT know this, and you are OOP; he will naturally make the right play more often IP)

If you truly believed hand 2 (that it was a cooler), you wouldn't even waste your time in posting it. Don't post bad beats or coolers on LP and waste everyone's time. Seriously.

Hand 3 and 4 are kind of confusing because the pot sizes get jumbled together, but hand 3 looks fine, although you want to manipulate the pot size so that the river is a nice tidy pot-sized bet. If this means c/ring the flop harder, so be it. Again, don't give a fuck about "scaring him away", with strong hands, you want to be creating large pots, DUCY? Therefore, if he folds marginal or middle-pair type hands, you don't GIVE A FUCK because you want to STACK HIM. You need to play fast because you will pay off if he hits.

cu

also, sample size is too small, losing 3-4 buyins doesn't mean anything, whether it is at nl1 or at nl200

dunno how u can call these coolers?

Thanks for the advice, would you refer to "playing straightforward" as "playing your cards face up"?

For instance, the 69s hand really got me. Would you have lead out on that flop? Or would you c/r then lead the turn?

I guess I see your point in that nothing fancy really needs to be done here. Despite the fact that UTG villain felt like raising 69s, we know under every circumstance he would have called my flop bet whether I c/r or donk out. He has a flush draw, he's calling, thats a given. The he hits a pair on the turn, this improves his hand slightly so again, we know in his mind he's calling no matter what I do.

The same can be said of the K4s hand. With flush draws, we can always expect to get 2 streets of value out of villains, at least at NL2.

I guess what I see here is that in poker, random hand distribution is going to provide the avg fish with enough opportunities to think he should call, so no need to try and exploit him any further than just taking advantage of the fact that they are calling 50-75% of flops and turns.

Does that sound about right?

It's NL2 - fish don't fold any piece. Therefore, if you have a good piece, bet bet bet bet bet.

Don't be tricky on NL2, just be straight forward. You have a hand, bet. Even if it SCREAMS that you have a hand, and even if the guy THINKS you have a hand, he will nearly always still call with a worse hand. So bet.

On May 14 2009 23:08 k2o4 wrote: It's NL2 - fish don't fold any piece. Therefore, if you have a good piece, bet bet bet bet bet. Don't be tricky on NL2, just be straight forward. You have a hand, bet. Even if it SCREAMS that you have a hand, and even if the guy THINKS you have a hand, he will nearly always still call with a worse hand. So bet.

they do after the first bet unless its top pair + mid kicker