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lol wtf, you're a winner at nl 200 and you're losing at NL 2?

"i cant beat these guys because the hands theyre playing are too terrible"

do you realize how absurd that sounds?

theres something wrong with you, not the limit.

Why aren't you still playing NL200 ?
lol

I watch my GF play FB poker and it's clear that you can't play real poker vs them. But you just adjust. You have 2 options - 1, play uber tight, bet big preflop and all streets when you have a strong hand. Option 2 - limp pretty much any semi-decent hand and when you hit bet big every street, when you don't hit just try to limp to showdown.

Overall the fact that these guys are playing horrible hands IS a pain in the ass, but it just means you have to be VERY straight forward. It's actually REALLY EASY to beat these guys, but it means that you don't do a SINGLE fancy play. Just straight forward standard poker and don't worry about giving off any tells by bet size or any shit.

If you're mad that people don't respect your raise/bets @ NL2 that means that you're not properly adjusting. You should KNOW that they don't respect it therefore you're only raising/betting when you have the best of it.

wait, why would you want them to respect your raises? I think you need to tighten up and stop overthinking hands while playing them. How do you expect to out think a non-thinking player such as those at nl2?

If it's too frustrating, deposit a bit more to get your roll up a touch and head to nl5 or nl10. Things make a bit more sense there, but your still playing the same style.

On May 07 2009 00:11 k2o4 wrote: I watch my GF play FB poker and it's clear that you can't play real poker vs them. But you just adjust. You have 2 options - 1, play uber tight, bet big preflop and all streets when you have a strong hand. Option 2 - limp pretty much any semi-decent hand and when you hit bet big every street, when you don't hit just try to limp to showdown. Overall the fact that these guys are playing horrible hands IS a pain in the ass, but it just means you have to be VERY straight forward. It's actually REALLY EASY to beat these guys, but it means that you don't do a SINGLE fancy play. Just straight forward standard poker and don't worry about giving off any tells by bet size or any shit. If you're mad that people don't respect your raise/bets @ NL2 that means that you're not properly adjusting. You should KNOW that they don't respect it therefore you're only raising/betting when you have the best of it.

what he said

Same as everyone else. Also, my advice to you would be to stop blaming others for your misstake. May sound harsh, but if you look close at every hand you'll see something that _you_ didnt to right. And by doing this you'll focus your energy on important things (such as improving, adjusting etc) instead of some elaborate my-life-and-internet-is-rigged-scheme. Takes to much energy mate.
gl and hope you found my advice useful.

What? I LOVE THESE PEOPLE!

How did you play NL200 when you are so bad at adjusting your game? Fishes that play like this are at all limits, it just happens that at NL2 its 90% of villains...


You are practically crying that people don't play as you want them to play, Phil Hellmuth syndrome imo

how big is your nl200 sample? : )

Bout 6000 hands. But I was one-tabling back then. Oh yes I take most of the responsibility of these results. I wasnt getting sucked out on, my EV is in the deep red in these spots. Whats happening is that I am aware that my raising range is better than their calling range. Problem is Im not exactly raising hands that just crush the playing field. For instance, I'll try to isoraise an UTG limper on the button with A6o. BB and UTG call. Board comes down like 269 rainbow. They both check, I cbet, they both CALL. Now i'm just like "wtf? they BOTH have hands here?" Then UTG will lead the turn on a 3. Again I'll be like "wtf?!" so I'll either raise him or just call. By now usually BB folds, then guy on the river will check, or raise huge. What do I run into? The "top end of their range" which is some rag top pair type hand.

Or I'll raise 99 from MP and SB calls. Flop comes JJT and I get check-raised allin. And I'm just like "wtf? You have a jack here EVERY time????" so I'll call and they show T8o. And I'm just like "how can you stack off there with a MPNK? Theres soooo many ways I can have a jack, a better ten, better PP's etc etc".

Or I'll raise AJss UTG and BB calls. Flop comes 468ss. BB donk's into me and I raise, he snap shoves, and I snap call. He shows A4o for bottom pair, so now I HAVE to hit my flush, which of course I dont.

I'll do other stuff too like really pound away hard on my OESD's raising and even re-raising on the flop, and then fail to connect by the river. Or someone will minraise me in the SB and I'll 3bet with KQ and they insta shove. Sometimes I'll fold, sometimes I'll call out of tilt. Every time I do it's always some terrible though like 66 or KJo etc.

I keep getting myself into sticky situations by playing hands that I wish I would'nt. The only reason I keep playing them is because I KNOW they are calling with J2s and Q6o and shit. I feel that I simply must play my hand if I know it to be better than theirs. Unfortunately I guess it's just really hard to make a hand like A7s or JTs or 55 connect against these guys. They seem to just have the better of me by a very slight margin every time.

Again it all just comes down to the fact that b/c I'm aware they are playing garbage, I play every single hand that is about 20% better than their range. I guess this just isnt enough.

?

1) Forget everything you know about poker
2) Fold marginal spots.
3) No really, fold marginal spots.
4) Maximize value on your strong hands
5) Profit.

Super straightforward, 10/8 poker wins for about 20 bb / 100 at FR NL2. Unless you can do better than 20 bb/100, why make things complicated?

On May 07 2009 12:09 NewbSaibot wrote: Bout 6000 hands. But I was one-tabling back then. Oh yes I take most of the responsibility of these results. I wasnt getting sucked out on, my EV is in the deep red in these spots. Whats happening is that I am aware that my raising range is better than their calling range. Problem is Im not exactly raising hands that just crush the playing field. For instance, I'll try to isoraise an UTG limper on the button with A6o. BB and UTG call. Board comes down like 269 rainbow. They both check, I cbet, they both CALL. Now i'm just like "wtf? they BOTH have hands here?" Then UTG will lead the turn on a 3. Again I'll be like "wtf?!" so I'll either raise him or just call. By now usually BB folds, then guy on the river will check, or raise huge. What do I run into? The "top end of their range" which is some rag top pair type hand. Or I'll raise 99 from MP and SB calls. Flop comes JJT and I get check-raised allin. And I'm just like "wtf? You have a jack here EVERY time????" so I'll call and they show T8o. And I'm just like "how can you stack off there with a MPNK? Theres soooo many ways I can have a jack, a better ten, better PP's etc etc". Or I'll raise AJss UTG and BB calls. Flop comes 468ss. BB donk's into me and I raise, he snap shoves, and I snap call. He shows A4o for bottom pair, so now I HAVE to hit my flush, which of course I dont. I'll do other stuff too like really pound away hard on my OESD's raising and even re-raising on the flop, and then fail to connect by the river. Or someone will minraise me in the SB and I'll 3bet with KQ and they insta shove. Sometimes I'll fold, sometimes I'll call out of tilt. Every time I do it's always some terrible though like 66 or KJo etc. I keep getting myself into sticky situations by playing hands that I wish I would'nt. The only reason I keep playing them is because I KNOW they are calling with J2s and Q6o and shit. I feel that I simply must play my hand if I know it to be better than theirs. Unfortunately I guess it's just really hard to make a hand like A7s or JTs or 55 connect against these guys. They seem to just have the better of me by a very slight margin every time. Again it all just comes down to the fact that b/c I'm aware they are playing garbage, I play every single hand that is about 20% better than their range. I guess this just isnt enough.

reevaluate everything youre doing in this post.