ToTehEastSide   United States. Apr 26 2009 18:03. Posts 1337
sigh more change alright
"The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overrule a 23 year-old decision that stopped police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present, the latest stance that has disappointed civil rights and civil liberties groups."
While President Barack Obama has reversed many policies of his Republican predecessor, George W. Bush, the defendants' rights case is another stark example of the White House seeking to limit rather than expand rights.
Since taking office, Obama has drawn criticism for backing the continued imprisonment of enemy combatants in Afghanistan without trial, invoking the "state secrets" privilege to avoid releasing information in lawsuits and limiting the rights of prisoners to test genetic evidence used to convict them.
The case at issue is Michigan v. Jackson, in which the Supreme Court said in 1986 that police may not initiate questioning of a defendant who has a lawyer or has asked for one unless the attorney is present. The decision applies even to defendants who agree to talk to the authorities without their lawyers.
Anything police learn through such questioning may not be used against the defendant at trial. The opinion was written by Justice John Paul Stevens, the only current justice who was on the court at the time.
The justices could decide as early as Friday whether they want to hear arguments on the issue as they wrestle with an ongoing case from Louisiana that involves police questioning of an indigent defendant that led to a murder confession and a death sentence.
The Justice Department, in a brief signed by Solicitor General Elena Kagan, said the 1986 decision "serves no real purpose" and offers only "meager benefits." The government said defendants who don't wish to talk to police don't have to and that officers must respect that decision. But it said there is no reason a defendant who wants to should not be able to respond to officers' questions.
At the same time, the administration acknowledges that the decision "only occasionally prevents federal prosecutors from obtaining appropriate convictions."
The administration's legal move is a reminder that Obama, who has moved from campaigning to governing, now speaks for federal prosecutors.
The administration's position assumes a level playing field, with equally savvy police and criminal suspects, lawyers on the other side of the case said. But the protection offered by the court in Stevens' 1986 opinion is especially important for vulnerable defendants, including the mentally and developmentally disabled, addicts, juveniles and the poor, the lawyers said.
"Your right to assistance of counsel can be undermined if somebody on the other side who is much more sophisticated than you are comes and talks to you and asks for information," said Sidney Rosdeitcher, a New York lawyer who advises the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.
Stephen B. Bright, a lawyer who works with poor defendants at the Southern Center for Human Rights in Atlanta, said the administration's position "is disappointing, no question."
Bright said that poor defendants' constitutional right to a lawyer, spelled out by the high court in 1965, has been neglected in recent years. "I would hope that this administration would be doing things to shore up the right to counsel for poor people accused of crimes," said Bright, whose group joined with the Brennan Center and other rights organizations in a court filing opposing the administration's position.
Former Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson and former FBI Director William Sessions are among 19 one-time judges and prosecutors urging the court to leave the decision in place because it has been incorporated into routine police practice and establishes a rule on interrogations that is easy to follow.
Eleven states also are echoing the administration's call to overrule the 1986 case.
Justice Samuel Alito first raised the prospect of overruling the decision at arguments in January over the rights of Jesse Montejo, the Louisiana death row inmate.
Montejo's lawyer, Donald Verrilli, urged the court not to do it. Since then, Verrilli has joined the Justice Department, but played no role in the department's brief.
errr I'd like to say my piece but I just got home and have to take a shit and I'd actually rather do that than type anymore about this current administration atm
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ToTehEastSide   United States. Apr 26 2009 18:40. Posts 1337
in retrospect it is to bad I can't flush this administration down the toilet and wave buhbye!!~
like plucky duck "obama go down the hole"
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ToTehEastSide   United States. Apr 26 2009 18:51. Posts 1337
rofl this guy is awesome
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traxamillion   United States. Apr 26 2009 19:14. Posts 10468
I'm not from the US but this really sucks. My guess is that the Obama is going to be 'the worst' president ten years from now ... you know, people hate the most those that they have expected the most from.
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ToTehEastSide   United States. Apr 26 2009 19:18. Posts 1337
hmm I prefer to say anything in excess will kill you
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that ^ was to trax
anheway I fear ur right
and in talking about your predictions you should see what Alan Keyes is predicting..
something along the lines of no elections in 2012 here because of martial law
I should find the video for ya somewhere
it's a pretty hardcore hypothesis
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thank god noone made an assumption that I support Alan Keyes
twas just an observation / opening into conversation
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GirlsRVicious   United States. Apr 26 2009 20:15. Posts 1094
where are all the naive dumbasses chanting the name of the black savior? it was such an obvious scam
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traxamillion   United States. Apr 26 2009 21:10. Posts 10468
reminds me of the simpsons where the 2 aliens run dem and republic. They get discovered before the election but noone will vote 3rd party anyways. Ross perot punches a hole in his hat and humanity is enslaved
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ToTehEastSide   United States. Apr 26 2009 21:45. Posts 1337
hahah I wanna see this ep
any chance u know what season that was or something to point me to it?
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NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 26 2009 21:59. Posts 4948
On April 26 2009 19:58 Baal wrote:
where are all the naive dumbasses chanting the name of the black savior? it was such an obvious scam
as the right continues to spiral into nothing more than a silly fringe group (with guns, scary), we are starting to just ignore them. Shh shh, let the grownup's work now, we've got a big mess of a country to fix at the moment. If you behave for a couple of years then maybe something you say will actually matter.
bye now
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ToTehEastSide   United States. Apr 26 2009 22:43. Posts 1337
lol wow
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ToTehEastSide   United States. Apr 26 2009 22:46. Posts 1337
chris   United States. Apr 27 2009 02:21. Posts 5507
on the ballot i had in NJ i had McCain and Obama, no Ron Paul :'(
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ToTehEastSide   United States. Apr 27 2009 14:14. Posts 1337
Interesting point chis
I believe that was the case in more than one state
You did have more than the 2 mainstream choices on the ballot tho did you not? Bob Barr? Ralph Nader? Chuck Baldwin?
But the real question to that is if you knew someone was running for President i.e. Ron Paul and that was who you wanted and thought would be the best President yet the choice wasn't on your ballot...
Firstly do you think that is right?
Secondly what do you think most people would do?
Is Ron Paul who you wanted to be President?
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NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 27 2009 17:51. Posts 4948
Lets say you're on your way to work one morning, and your favorite road is blocked by a car wreck. Now, you can take the interstate, but you dont like the traffic. Or you can take the backroads, but they take too long. Do you just fucking sit and stare at the car wreck and not show up for work? Or do you choose an alternative route?
bye now
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ToTehEastSide   United States. Apr 27 2009 19:03. Posts 1337