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Reacting to light 3-bettors
I figured that I should write a bit on this subject since I've been doing a lot of thinking about it lately.
Anyway, some people thinks I’m pretty loose pre flop and has decided to reraise me light. This is bad. Historicly retards has just called me with inferior holdings (Axo, K8s and shit) even oop since they figure that they’ll be ahead of my range which of course is very abuseable. To handle a light 3-bettor is somewhat harder, but I got some insperation from CTS’s old blog; http://cts687.livejournal.com/14591.html. Basicly the math says that you’re about a 3-7 dog against QQ+ and AK with AXs and if you shove a range of a few AXs and normal monsters it’s roughly 4-6.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.153% 28.99% 01.16% 53611440 2149290.00 { A5s }
Hand 1: 69.847% 68.69% 01.16% 127018812 2149290.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 0: 62.689% 57.62% 05.07% 1770068268 155647536.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 37.311% 32.24% 05.07% 990510036 155647536.00 { QQ+, ATs+, A5s-A2s, AQo+ }
Assuming 100bb stacks and normal reraises you’ll pick up about the blinds + your raise and a reraise for a total of at least 17 bb and probably a fair bit more since there’s useally limpers, maybe a coldcaller and God knows what somewhere in the middle too. If someone cold calls the reraise you’ve actually got like 25bb in the pot, that’s 1/4th of a stack! The ev when someone calls you when you shove a suited A and get called is, as stated earlier, around 30%. This gives for a ev of -((700bb-300bb)/10) or –40bb everytime you’re called so if it’s 20 bb in the middle when you shove you’ll only need him to fold 2 out of 3 times to show a neutral ev from this play. However, since you will get a lot of nice side effects out of this, such as retards giving you action when you’ve actually has a real monster and decreased 3-betting from people who either figures out that they really can’t 3-bet anything that they won’t play for stacks other then as a bluff or just don’t want to gamble it up for stacks with AQo, you actually don’t need them to fold even that much to get it +ev in the long run. However, you’ll have to consider that there’s sometimes a bit less then 20bb in the pot which makes this play a little bit worse, but as long as the other dude reraises you somewhat light and doesn’t call your pushes with that much of his range it still a very good play.
Also, thanks to TalantedTom who answeared a few questions about this when I PMed him about it a week ago. I pretty much stole all the thinking from CTS blog too but I figured that some of you might not have seen it so I hope that someone could learn something from it since it was a real eye-opener for me.
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exalted United States. Jun 22 2007 17:40. Posts 2918 | | |
This seems really interesting and I will continue to think about this concept - so basically you raise to 3.5, he repops to 12, you shove 100 in there?
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bigbb33 Canada. Jun 22 2007 17:43. Posts 3679 | | |
Cool Dusty, but keep this in mind too (it's a later blog entry by CTS where he talks a bit more about his 4-betting article):
"I've been asked plenty of questions about my preflop reraising article and I'll try to answer some of them now, although I'm tired and may not write well/get to all of them. First, I heard a lot of "so which strategy is superior, never 4-betting, 4-bet shoving, etc?" Poker is all about adjusting to your opponents. It's important to implement a style that is most profitable against your tough opponents, and one that makes it hard for them to play back at you. If directly to my left is a 14/10 supernit, 4-bet shoving suited aces is awful. If directly to my left is a 30/25 LAG who is reraising me light, then I will probably mix in some 4-bet shoves to curtail his 3-betting and enable to me isolate the fish more easily. Related to this question is "what stakes can you 4-bet semibluff push at?" If you are sitting at a 1/2NL game where any preflop reraise signifies TT+/AK and no one folds TT+/AK preflop, then obviously DON'T 4-bet bluff!!! My article was moreso directed at higher stakes players, but should still be interesting to low stakes players. Maybe I'll elaborate more some other time." |
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EmKey Poland. Jun 22 2007 17:54. Posts 643 | | |
I do that at nl100 and it work wonders. |
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Basicly I'm mostly raising to 4bb pf so it gets a bit more money in the pot, and you can't really do it vs anyone but some stupid LAG but since that's the kind of player that you'll be annoyed at if he's on your left it's only important vs him anyway.
I am on MSN a lot, but I'm at "show as offline", can't stand drunktards from law school when I'm playing poker. Just randomly try to IM me and I'll probably answear pretty soon. |
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Sheitan Canada. Jun 22 2007 19:08. Posts 4217 | | |
Very interesting reading. |
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TheGuru Sweden. Jun 24 2007 16:18. Posts 532 | | |
Is anyone actually 3-betting light at Unibet? I hardly see people even raising  |
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Not that many, but some people do at NL200. Like 3 or 4 regs I think. |
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i hate light 3 betters. they used to tilt me a lot |
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