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Face it, everyone wants to be like Tom. A few days ago I read something posted by Ket in this topic and I’ve tried it out. However, I need some help (see end of post.
Here's what Ket wrote:
“remember in poker, your profit in the long run is [the total sum of mistakes your opponents make] - [the total sum of your mistakes]. so doing things to induce more mistakes from your opponents is just as important as not making mistakes yourself.
in actual fact, on a related sidenote, this is pretty much the reason i think TalentedTom is able to win extremely good money at 2/4 3/6. his loose goose play-tons-of-hands-pf style can be easily exploited by good players, and if he's to try and play the same way on a typical 10/20nl stars table that consists mainly of (relatively) smart good solid regs, they will make the proper adjustments to crush him. but luckily for our blonde-ignoring-and-going-for-her-less-attractive-friend hero, there don't exist many players at all at midstakes nl who have the necessary depth of poker theory understanding to make the correct adjustments to him, and in attempts to do so they actually wind up 'adjusting' to his preflop looseness in the worst possible way. they become frustrated by his frequent getting out of line and pounding at them every hand with junk hands on the 'small bet' streets (preflop and flop), so try to adapt by calling him down real light even on the 'big bet' streets (turn and river). in doing so they get obliterated because TT is actually only getting out of line frequently in the small pots and being much tighter and more solid+straightforward on the whole in big pots. when the big bets go in on turn and river TT will show up with the best hand and win a big pot from some frustrated donk that got tilted by his preflop ridiculousness. so what he's doing is purposely making small mistakes himself in small pots in order to get an image which induces much larger mistakes from weak players later on. these sorts of weaker players are in plentiful supply at up to 2/4 and 3/6, which are the stakes talentedtom CRUSHES for winrates that are pretty much unachievable by a straightforward solid TAG player (who will only exploit the mistakes that weaker players make but doesn't do much to induce any).”
This really got me thinking and since then I’ve started playing crazy pf and now I’m running with a VPIP of about 30% and a pfr of about 24% with total AF just under 3. My last session was even worse, 36/29/3 and I’ve got my sick winrate since the donks on Unibets NL200 are sick weaktight and basicly looks for reason to fold all the time except when they get mad and figures that I can’t hit a fd or have AA every hand. Then they decide that I allways bluffs and pays me off with third pair in reraised pots. It’s basicly heaven and I’m running at allmost 11bb/100 hands during my first 6k hands at NL200. I’ve been running good and stuff, but it’s still pretty sick. I’ve also tried to bluff a lot and very big vs obvious weakness and show it to people who seems easy to tilt. Anyway, I think I’m a bit to passive post flop and even if I feel that I’m much better then most people on the server I play I’m still a pretty bad hand reader and my “plays” sometimes gets me into really bad spots. I’ve handled this by being really carefull with semi-weak made hands, like TPBK or 2nd pair which I just check behind on flop and maybe bet like a decent bet on turn and a small one on the river. I think I lose a lot of value and potential reversed implied tilt odds here. This is why I try to merge my ranges (term from 2+2 or something, can’t get that damn forum to work but it’s basicly that you try to play a wider range of hands the same way and basicly just make sure that you beat his calling-“range” rather then his actual hand). I’m having a fair bit of trouble with this so if anyone has some pointers on this subject it’d be great.
That’s the first point. The secound one is what type of hands that is nice to raise with from different positions. As it is now my “standard”, before the table tries to adjust to me in more or less retarded ways, is something like this:
UTG: 22+,A2s+,ATo+,KQo+,KTs+,45s+
UTG+1: 22+,A2s+,A9o+,KJo+,KTs+,45s+
CO: 22+,A2s+,A6o+,K9o+,K2s+,Q7s+,Q9o+,J6s+,J9o+,T7s,T8o+, 23s+, 35s+, 47s+
B: 22+, everything suited, everything connected, every A and K, Q5+,J6o+,T7o+,35o+
From the blinds I just reraise TT+,AQs+,AKo+ and such. I complete with a bit too much crap in the sb I think.
Is that good for a loose goose retard style of playing vs bad weak/tight opponents? Should I ad or take away anything?
Some examples of hands:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/171005 <- wtf I should’ve bet flop. That way I probably could’ve gotten away from this but that’s probably result oriented. Would he call me with anything worse on the flop?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/169471 <- wtf I’m weaktight should’ve bet turn. What do I do if he reraises? Push/fold? My had look a lot like a overpair but on the other hand it’s still a crappy hand vs a range of monsters :/
Any ideas, comments and whatnot appreciated.
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Your blog is still my fav :'( sucks I never am able to catch you on msn  |
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ggplz Sweden. Apr 08 2007 12:12. Posts 16784 | | |
you make very interesting posts
i am going to experiment today playing looser |
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@Sander: Just IM me even if I'm offline, I have it as "show as offline" a lot. I forget to change.
@GGplz: Thanks  . Doin' my best, matey! |
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bigbb33 Canada. Apr 08 2007 14:08. Posts 3679 | | |
My range for 6-max is:
UTG: 22+, AJ+, KQ
UTG+1: 22+, AT+, KJ+
CO: 22+, Ax, usually any connector (ie 87o), any gapped suited connector, maybe 2gapper like 85s, KT+, maybe K9 or QT,
B: Nearly any two cards, I'll raise 97o, 54o, Q9o, K8+, Ax+, 22+, etc
I'm really tight in the first two positions but get really loose in the second two, and play 22/19 or so. Also since I 3-table I'm able to adapt so I'm not playing mechanically: if I've been showing down crap I'll tighten up etc, if I've been raising too little I'll open up my UTG+1 range etc.
My inspiration for this is hookem148's vid on CR (if you have CR check this out, it came out two weeks ago or so and the guy sick kills the lower limits), and though I'm not sure this is the most +ev range at 50nl it definitely gives my postflop skills a good workout (and they are improving very quickly when being challenged to play crap in position).
The main theme of my range is the huge value I give position: my range is pretty tight in UTG+1, folding A9o etc, but opens up huge after that. Obviously being able to adapt and pay attention to my image / others play helps me do this too. |
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Yea, I need to get CR soon. I'm just to lazy . I have to little time while I study but I'll get it this summer at the latests. |
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bigbb33 Canada. Apr 08 2007 14:15. Posts 3679 | | |
FUCK FUCK I just read your entire blog post (I had just seen your range, and then posted mine) and it's gotten me so motivated to play poker, BUT I have to study like shit basically until April 21st!. Luckily I will be playing poker over the summer so I will be able to have fun then, but right now I'm fucking pissed I can't sit down and open J5o from the button. lol |
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haha, same here. I've got a few more days of relative freedom and then I'll have to study my ass of |
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bigbb33 Canada. Apr 08 2007 14:42. Posts 3679 | | |
The one problem I have with playing loose and trying to create the image is that I have problems working on my bluffing frequencies: ie I cbet the flop a lot, but when people see me as crazy they start calling, and then I have to start 2 barrelling more, right? I usually don't do this properly and then people realize that when I bet the turn I have a hand and it's safe to just float me and find out on the turn. Obviously I need to bluff the turn but I can't get the right frequency here in order to maintain the loose image and get paid off when I have a hand, but also not go broke double barrelling... |
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C/R turn with strong stuff. Keeps floaters in line. Other then that you'll just have to read then. |
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