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mnj   United States. May 02 2014 14:52. Posts 3848
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/spo...-brain-trauma-disease-in-a-soccer-player.html?_r=0

don't want to overhype the relationship between CTE and soccer but here are some key points

-CTE is a brain degenerative disease linked with violent hits to the head and now any repeated hits to the head
-boxers, US footballers, hockey players, rugby players and soccer players have all been found with CTE
-soccer players head through practice and in game 1000-1500 times a year
-this soccer player started heading since age 3, most start around 8-10
-Dr. Anthony Alessi UCONN neurology researcher, shuns any hits to the head no matter how soft/light until 18
-heading a soccer ball is around 20g's the equivalent of hitting a wall with a car at ~20 miles an hour

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GoTuNk   Chile. May 02 2014 15:37. Posts 2860

seems like one of those made up diseases, like ADD.


Passive   United States. May 02 2014 15:59. Posts 6

its not
CTE can be measured in the brain because it actually damages the organ.


goose58   United States. May 02 2014 16:25. Posts 871

ADHD/ADD is not a made up disease. 1000's of studies are all fake/false?

Brain injury sucks.. word on the street is that's what lead/contributed to Ali's Alzheimer's.


GoTuNk   Chile. May 02 2014 21:33. Posts 2860


  On May 02 2014 15:25 goose58 wrote:
ADHD/ADD is not a made up disease. 1000's of studies are all fake/false?

Brain injury sucks.. word on the street is that's what lead/contributed to Ali's Alzheimer's.



Yes they are. Differences on personality do not justify putting kids on amphetamines

Well maybe not made up, but grossly overdiagnosed

Is the same with saying ppl have "genetic obesity" or wathever is labeled as a disease instead of being a lazy and ignorant fuck

When tens of millions of people within a single nation with various ethnicity backgrounds suddenly develop a "medical condition" you can confidently say it is mostly a new diagnosis made up.


careface_   Canada. May 03 2014 01:10. Posts 788

I'm seriously fucked. I know that for a fact i'll be braindead at 50.

Got like 6 big concussions out of stupid shit, and a shitload of smaller ones. Took very much pride in heading the ball in soccer since age 6 and I missed my headers about 99% of the time and hit the ball flat in the middle of the head (on the top of the head), and that up to age 22-23. Missing those headers when you are 14 years old + the ball travels fast and impact is strong.

I seriously been thinking for the past 2-3 years about this and I've came to the conclusion I am mostlikely fked, sucks. + I've been realizing how awful my memory is now compared to how it used to be and i'm only 25.


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 03 2014 05:47. Posts 5365

on ADD: depends on what you want to call a disease. I think its pretty convenient for pharmaceutical companies to stretch the definition of what a disease can be.
kinda what like how a state or class of people defines what human rights are. In the early 19th century there were many intellectuals who said human rights didn't exist, and that was convenient for the industrialists.

I think obesity is a political problem. Sure you can blame the individual for being lazy, but the individual has no choice in deciding the role fast food chains have in society.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings 

mnj   United States. May 04 2014 15:03. Posts 3848


  On May 02 2014 20:33 GoTuNk wrote:
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Yes they are. Differences on personality do not justify putting kids on amphetamines

Well maybe not made up, but grossly overdiagnosed

Is the same with saying ppl have "genetic obesity" or wathever is labeled as a disease instead of being a lazy and ignorant fuck

When tens of millions of people within a single nation with various ethnicity backgrounds suddenly develop a "medical condition" you can confidently say it is mostly a new diagnosis made up.


admittedly i used to share the same view, but i think it's pretty ignorant.


mnj   United States. May 04 2014 15:15. Posts 3848


  On May 03 2014 04:47 Stroggoz wrote:
on ADD: depends on what you want to call a disease. I think its pretty convenient for pharmaceutical companies to stretch the definition of what a disease can be.
kinda what like how a state or class of people defines what human rights are. In the early 19th century there were many intellectuals who said human rights didn't exist, and that was convenient for the industrialists.

I think obesity is a political problem. Sure you can blame the individual for being lazy, but the individual has no choice in deciding the role fast food chains have in society.




i agree with the stretching of the definition. it happened with the blood pressure threshold as well as the heart beat threshold. all the sudden in 70's, 80's there was a huge "increase" in heart disease. this is a pretty well documented case. however i think with a greater development with technology and medicine it seems silly to have static thresholds no? as we gain a better idea of how our bodies work, with increasing longevity i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to have more precautionary thresholds.

with add/adhd though

"The pervasive view that A.D.H.D. is a fiction invented by drug companies has never had any basis in fact. The diagnosis of the disorder predates the widespread clinical use of medications to treat it and thousands of studies on the disorder have been done with no involvement of the drug industry. Those studies show that the disorder is legitimate, valid and widely impairing of an individual’s ability to effectively participate in major life activities like school, work, family, social relations, driving, money management and child-rearing."

http://consults.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/when-the-diagnosis-is-a-d-h-d/

the last part about obesity i cant' say it's entirely a political issue but it definitely is a part of it. also i think the view that poor people are lazy and fat is completely ignorant


mnj   United States. May 04 2014 15:18. Posts 3848


  On May 03 2014 00:10 careface_ wrote:
I'm seriously fucked. I know that for a fact i'll be braindead at 50.

Got like 6 big concussions out of stupid shit, and a shitload of smaller ones. Took very much pride in heading the ball in soccer since age 6 and I missed my headers about 99% of the time and hit the ball flat in the middle of the head (on the top of the head), and that up to age 22-23. Missing those headers when you are 14 years old + the ball travels fast and impact is strong.

I seriously been thinking for the past 2-3 years about this and I've came to the conclusion I am mostlikely fked, sucks. + I've been realizing how awful my memory is now compared to how it used to be and i'm only 25.



i think CTE tends to be the exception not the rule. but at least this way you can be more agressive about screening.

i think the scary thing are the stories about wrestlers, baseball players, footballers who end up killing their families and themselves. NOT TO SCARE YOU BRAH.


careface_   Canada. May 06 2014 08:02. Posts 788

hahahaha


GoTuNk   Chile. May 07 2014 22:52. Posts 2860


  On May 04 2014 14:15 mnj wrote:
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i agree with the stretching of the definition. it happened with the blood pressure threshold as well as the heart beat threshold. all the sudden in 70's, 80's there was a huge "increase" in heart disease. this is a pretty well documented case. however i think with a greater development with technology and medicine it seems silly to have static thresholds no? as we gain a better idea of how our bodies work, with increasing longevity i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to have more precautionary thresholds.

with add/adhd though

"The pervasive view that A.D.H.D. is a fiction invented by drug companies has never had any basis in fact. The diagnosis of the disorder predates the widespread clinical use of medications to treat it and thousands of studies on the disorder have been done with no involvement of the drug industry. Those studies show that the disorder is legitimate, valid and widely impairing of an individual’s ability to effectively participate in major life activities like school, work, family, social relations, driving, money management and child-rearing."

http://consults.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/when-the-diagnosis-is-a-d-h-d/

the last part about obesity i cant' say it's entirely a political issue but it definitely is a part of it. also i think the view that poor people are lazy and fat is completely ignorant


I don't think poor people are ignorant, lazy or fat; I did not say that.

Edit: There is something called Iatrogenics, which the medical and pharmaceutical industry ignore at large; the harm caused by outside intervention.
I can say with a straight face that most people are clueless about nutrition, and that most fat people are lazy in general (at least, in regards to their own nutrition). Taking lipitor or anti depressants when you don't need them is bad for you, specially if you do it instead of fixing the underlying problem (like being obese, or having emotional issues that should be fixed)

 Last edit: 07/05/2014 22:56

mnj   United States. May 08 2014 22:57. Posts 3848

yea i agree with some of wat you said.

but think about cultural differences, things most people dont have any control, US ppl often work 40+ hours. alot of european countries actually ban working more than 40 hours


GoTuNk   Chile. May 10 2014 01:22. Posts 2860


  On May 08 2014 21:57 mnj wrote:
yea i agree with some of wat you said.

but think about cultural differences, things most people dont have any control, US ppl often work 40+ hours. alot of european countries actually ban working more than 40 hours



I consider that group thinking, I understand people have been convinced (brainwashed?) into sucking at life and that they are bound to be fat and weak; however I consider those limitations mental more than anything. I've been competing on lifting weights, playing poker, running a small business and getting a finance major simultanously (albeit I wasn't very good in the last 3)

Working 40 hours a week does not mean you have to eat yourself to death imo. Being not overweight is not rocket science, and given eating is an integral part of your life it isn't unreasonable to expect you should educate yourself a bit on it.

Basically if all you do and are competent at is work (and one not particularly demanding), you are a fucking idiot.


 



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