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Daut    United States. Dec 24 2013 02:24. Posts 8842
Played 13 year long leagues and had good results.

-competitive league with poker friends: lots of sharks in here and 2-3 complete fish. overall tough league, finished 1st/12. buyin 400, cashed for 2k
-7 yahoo pro leagues: these are 10 man public leagues with buyins of either 20, 100, or 250. i ran 1x20, 2x100, 4x250. Won the 20, won a 100, and finished 3rd in 2x250. buyins 1220, cashed for 1100
-league with friends from home: they are pretty bad, 14 man league, won total points for season and finished 3rd on year. buyin 50, cashed for 100
-league with college friends: finished 4th, buyin 100
-league with friends from home: finished 4th, buyin 150+$2 transaction fee * 32 transactions = 214, cashed for 95
-auction league, co owned with roothlus. didnt make playoffs, buyin i believe was 500
-national fantasy football championship league, buyin 350, won individual league for 1500, finished 26/1800 in overall standings for additional payout of 500.

total buyins: 2834
total cashes: 5295

Feel like year went pretty well and i could feel my edge in every league. also learned a lot and will be a bit stronger next year.


Daily Fantasy
As the year progressed, I started getting more and more into daily fantasy sports. At the beginning of the year there was a nice guaranteed tournament over on draftkings (www.draftkings.com, has some poker crossover, their VIP manager is Jon Aguiar aka fatalerror and they have a partnership with the WPT) and a deposit bonus, so i threw 1200 on, fired 6 lineups in the $200, think i had one small cash, fired most of it away and had like 38 bucks left in the account. Let it sit there for most of the season, but a bunch of my friends had been getting into daily stuff so I decided to start firing.

didnt feel like redepositing but i wanted to make as many lineups as i could each week to try and learn as much as possible for next season. so first week i made 19 lineups and entered them in the $2 tournament, got back $49. the following week i fired in 1 $11 lineup and 19 $2 lineups, did well, got back $113. then fired in 2 $11 lineups and 45 $2 lineups, did very well in a few with 4 top 30 finishes out of 8500 and cashed for $240. first place was 3500 and i was pretty close to that so it was a little frustrating to have so many entries do so well and cash for so little but a good sign that im getting a much better grasp of things. this past week there was a bigger $150 guaranteed tournament, and since it was week 16 i fired in a lineup and put in around 40 smaller lineups, did bad in the large one and only got back $40 which is ok cause week 17 is so unpredictable with resting starters to prevent injury. most of the games do matter this weekend but a lot of teams that are eliminated just throw in the towel and some of the later game players know their fate by then and the games become meaningless.

but now having entered a few hundred lineups the past 4 weeks i feel good about my daily fantasy game and think ill put in a lot of work over the next 8 months and plan on going hard in it next year cause it feels like there is more money to be made here than in year long stuff, albeit with smaller edges and more variance. will probably deposit 10-20k next year and work out a year long plan for grinding it out. hopefully it goes well! if you dont play daily, i suggest you look into it, its really going to explode in the next year and its big for NBA/MLB/NFL.

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NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

tooker   . Dec 24 2013 02:33. Posts 470

Do you think someone could make a living playing these?


Daut    United States. Dec 24 2013 02:57. Posts 8842

a living in year long fantasy seems absurd. i think having an ROI of roughly 20-40% makes sense long term, so 300k in buyins? yikes. seems like a lot and a shitload of run bad can happen. that said, a friend of a friend is possibly the best year long fantasy football player in the world and i think he plays around 150k of buyins and may have over a 100% ROI long term. For example, in the 1800 person NFFC contest we entered, he had i believe 12 teams in total and he finished in 2nd/4th/7th as well as some others that probably cashed for decent money. probably cashed for 40-50k overall on that ~4k of buyins.. obviously some run good with the players he chose working out in a few weeks time, but hes definitely great at it, hes done well year in year out.

as for daily stuff, you can definitely make a living on it. can put in way more volume with less work and can basically play it like HU cash or tournaments. you can enter HU lineups, 50/50s (say 100 people enter and the top 45 people double up), triple ups (100 people enter, 30 triple their buyin), 10xs, or GPPs (like a large tournament with a guaranteed prize pool and top heavy payouts like MTTs). feel like a top guy next year putting in lots of volume could expect to make a few hundred thousand grinding everything in multiple sports. i dont think im anywhere close to there yet, but maybe after a lot of work in the off season and perhaps some programs i could probably become one of the better NFL players. baseball seems like its close to solved and i dont know shit about basketball unfortunately because it sounds like theres a lot of edge

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 24/12/2013 02:59

PuertoRican   United States. Dec 24 2013 03:27. Posts 11178

Since you like fantasy games, you should enter some of the Kountermove events they have for every UFC event. For UFC 168, there's multiple events, but the big one is a $10 buy-in with a $25k prize pool, $5k for 1st place: http://www.kountermove.com/join/18922...y-on-ufc-168-weidman-vs-silva-2-T-10/

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Daut    United States. Dec 24 2013 03:30. Posts 8842


  On December 24 2013 02:27 PuertoRican wrote:
Since you like fantasy games, you should enter some of the Kountermove events they have for every UFC event. For UFC 168, there's multiple events, but the big one is a $10 buy-in with a $25k prize pool, $5k for 1st place: http://www.kountermove.com/join/18922...y-on-ufc-168-weidman-vs-silva-2-T-10/



these prices are pretty lol. i am assuming you get points for how quickly they win?

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

PuertoRican   United States. Dec 24 2013 03:55. Posts 11178


  On December 24 2013 02:30 Daut wrote:
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these prices are pretty lol. i am assuming you get points for how quickly they win?


The prices on the fighters is what makes things interesting, because you have to put a 5-person fight team together with 25,000 points. It's like you're putting together a team with limited funds, so you gotta be strategic.

You want to pick fighters who are finishers, attempt finishes, strike a lot, and are basically just "action" fighters. Picking someone like Jon Fitch would be terrible, since he's most likely to win by decision and doesn't strike that much. There's a FAQ page on that website that gives you a description of how the points work.

Example: I played Kountermove for UFC on FOX 9, and this was my result:

Urijah Faber (won): 97.5
Court McGee (lost): 53
Chad Mendes (won): 66.5
Demetrious Johnson (won): 106.5
Alptekin Ozkilic (won): 56.5

Even though Mendes won his fight, notice how little points he earned, while McGee lost his fight and he earned me a lot of points because he's so active on the feet. I ended up getting 39th place for that event, which earned me back my buy-in.

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Rekrul is a newbLast edit: 24/12/2013 03:56

Daut    United States. Dec 24 2013 04:00. Posts 8842

i mean there simply arent that many combinations of fighters someone can enter. 24 choose 5 is a pretty small number when considering some of them are great picks, some are awful like miesha tate and there are 2500 entries. im guessing there are lots of ties?

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 24/12/2013 04:01

PuertoRican   United States. Dec 24 2013 04:31. Posts 11178


  On December 24 2013 03:00 Daut wrote:
i mean there simply arent that many combinations of fighters someone can enter. 24 choose 5 is a pretty small number when considering some of them are great picks, some are awful like miesha tate and there are 2500 entries. im guessing there are lots of ties?



You would think there are a lot of ties, but there's not many ties for 1st place. I often see 2 guys split 1st place, sometimes it's just 1 guy winning it. There's a lot of ties when you get out of the top 10 prize pool.

For example, the $25k Kountermove event pays the top 358 people, so you'll see a lot of ties outside of the top 10 winners in that one cuz there's gonna be like 2500 people participating in it. For the UFC on FOX 9 event I was in (there were multiple events), there was only 1 guy who got 1st place.

Overall, it's a lot harder than it seems to get 1st place, since you have to first go into it with a good understanding of the fighters, as well as getting lucky along the way. Sometimes you can pick a sure thing, and then that fighter doesn't show up to fight, like Chad Mendes in his most recent fight for example. Also, to even have a chance at winning a larger chunk of the prize pool, you have to get all 5 of your picks correctly, which is hard in itself. I've had a few events where I got 4 guys right, and I didn't get shit, while in some free roll events, I got 4 of the 5 guys right and I got enough money to buy into a larger event if I wanted to.

Lastly, there's free roll Kountermove events that are put on by MMA Mania, Bloody Elbow, and MMA Fighting. These are free to enter, and the prize pools range from $400 to $800. There's more fish in the free ones, because people enter them with the same mentality as how they enter free rolls in Poker; it's free to enter, so I'll just do the most random shit and hope it works.

Rekrul is a newbLast edit: 24/12/2013 04:35

RaiNKhAN    United States. Dec 24 2013 05:14. Posts 4080

very nice

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chris   United States. Dec 24 2013 10:46. Posts 5498

there are very high stakes leagues that you could probably win and live for a year off of, but they are like $5k and $10k buy in leagues my buddy in NY knows about, but its all super rich hedge fund and PE guys.

congrats daut! i played one league, finished runner up last two years and this year, 14 teams, chopping championship. niners defense came up big last night to get me the win.

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NighTLesS15   United States. Dec 25 2013 01:40. Posts 241

Fanduel Draftday Draftkings so far my favorite for single day or single week games. There is exponentially more money available to be won Since you can set one line up and enter it too 100 heads up 100 5man winner take alls and 100 3 man winner take alls plus the few big tournaments on each site. Fanduel is #1 for me though

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Sanai   United States. Dec 25 2013 15:06. Posts 643

Hey Daut,

Do you have any resources you'd recommend to someone who wants to get a better understanding of fantasy statistics? Not necessarily asking for your personal approach, but stuff that might help me understand why certain things are valued. Or should I just pick up an introductory stats textbook?

I'm a huge NBA fan, but only just started getting into fantasy this year. Feel completely out of my element and I really want to educate myself.


Daut    United States. Dec 25 2013 16:48. Posts 8842


  On December 25 2013 14:06 Sanai wrote:
Hey Daut,

Do you have any resources you'd recommend to someone who wants to get a better understanding of fantasy statistics? Not necessarily asking for your personal approach, but stuff that might help me understand why certain things are valued. Or should I just pick up an introductory stats textbook?

I'm a huge NBA fan, but only just started getting into fantasy this year. Feel completely out of my element and I really want to educate myself.



what knida statistics are you looking for? there are tons of pay sites and lots of different metrics to value players. when i was starting out i tried to learn by listening to rotogrinders (http://rotogrinders.com/) podcasts and live shows, talk to friends who have been doing it longer, try to find good projections, and look at teams of guys who enter many lineups to piece together their thought processes. unfortunately i just dont know anything about NBA to do more than copy my friends lineups, but NFL i learned a lot through that process

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 25/12/2013 16:48

hiems   United States. Dec 25 2013 18:26. Posts 1465

This (daily fantasy) seems pretty interesting and I'll check it out. There seems to be an obscene amount of sites though. Would you recommend focusing on one (if so, which one(s)) or would it be better to bonus-whore them all/most? Also, what should someone look out for in terms of rake relative to stakes and site? Lastly, is there any rakeback that is essential sort of like Supernova? I have other questions in mind but I think I'd like to just check it out first.

 Last edit: 25/12/2013 18:27

Daut    United States. Dec 25 2013 18:37. Posts 8842


  On December 25 2013 17:26 hiems wrote:
This (daily fantasy) seems pretty interesting and I'll check it out. There seems to be an obscene amount of sites though. Would you recommend focusing on one (if so, which one(s)) or would it be better to bonus-whore them all/most? Also, what should someone look out for in terms of rake relative to stakes and site? Lastly, is there any rakeback that is essential sort of like Supernova? I have other questions in mind but I think I'd like to just check it out first.



ive been playing mainly draftkings, but fanduel is the biggest. there are some others: starstreet, draftstreet, fanthrowdown, draftday, etc. im probably just gonna concentrate on a couple next year.

bonus whoring is ok, i think on draftkings you get about 40% of your rake paid back for the life of the bonus. the rake is somewhat high, basically the same as it is in MTTs. so youll get stuff like 10+1, 100+9, 200+15 etc. draftkings gives you back FPPs. i believe you get 4 FPPs for every dollar paid in entry fees, and you can turn in roughly 545 for a dollar, so its really small rakeback.

next year im probably going to play mostly DK/FD, but other sites are probably worth looking into for big promotional stuff

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 25/12/2013 18:38

hiems   United States. Dec 25 2013 19:03. Posts 1465

cool, thanks.


Sanai   United States. Dec 25 2013 20:35. Posts 643

Thanks!


GoTuNk   Chile. Dec 25 2013 22:38. Posts 2771

plz stop solving games


Bigbobm   United States. Dec 27 2013 13:56. Posts 5490


  On December 25 2013 21:38 GoTuNk wrote:
plz stop solving games



lol.

Daut, at any point did you find it difficult to maintain that many teams/leagues? Or who you needed to do what in which league? It seems like there would be a lot of room for mistakes/forgetting to set lineups etc for a league while juggling so much.

Its time to stop thinking like a bitch and think smart like a poker player - ket 

Daut    United States. Dec 27 2013 17:59. Posts 8842

so my basic approach was on tuesday before waivers, go through the qb/wr/rb/te/def/K on each league, write down who im targetting for free agency at midnight and set whatever my waivers were. earlier in the season i made some mistakes with sometimes not looking at the waivers on certain positions because i was in a rush and i missed really great pickups (i.e. matt prater was dropped in a few leagues on his bye). but once i got more methodical it got easier.

then id just follow certain reporters like adam schefter on twitter, get my news and if i saw anything worthwhile id pick up or drop players during the week. then id just need to remember to set my lineups saturday night and sunday morning when the final injury reports came in. as long as you stay methodical about it, increasing the number of leagues doesnt lead to many mistakes.

one of the trickier aspects is in leagues with auction bidding for waiver wire players and no free agency. often in these leagues you want to carry backups in case someone gets injured in practice between games. a few times i got caught with my pants down and had to start someone really awful because i couldnt add someone sunday before the game when a probable player took a turn for the worse and didnt play. again just have to be careful

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 27/12/2013 18:00

 
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