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Balzamon   Sweden. Apr 16 2013 09:22. Posts 2868
Today our teacher gave us a thinking problem seeing if anyone comes up with an answer for tomorrow. Being stupid i cant solve it, so wanting to be baller for class i wonder if someone here can solve it: on a plain paper he places 4 coins total (1) in each corner. A random person blind/feel-folded is then selected. He doesnt know how the coins are faced in the start. Each round our teacher is free to spin the paper 90/180/270/360... And so on degrees. The blindfolded person is each round free to turn as many coins as he wants, his mission to win is for all coins to face the same direction. He doesnt know how many degrees the paper is spinned each round. Q: is there a stratey for the teacher to make him never be able to win? (Is there a straytegy for the student to win, is that the same q?). Hope i explained it well enough, gl

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DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Apr 16 2013 09:42. Posts 8623

I think that it's probably not a strategy that makes the teacher win every time since the student can just pick randomly and should have 12.5% chance of a win each time if 4 coins and a very, very small chance each time if 16 coins. (first coin doesn't matter, 50% that he'll do right at the 2nd, 50% on the third etc).

Student could maybe find a way to increase his chances of winning by deciding how many coins to flip each round (he know that there's 3-1,2-2 or 1-3 I guess so he should always flip one or two or one or three I think).

Also, is there 4 coins in each corner or just 4 coin, one in each corner.

I think it's one of those that gets down to the fact that the probability to get it right is fairly small, but given an unlimited amount of tries he should win at some point.

Although, I'm not good with math anymore.


ktp   United States. Apr 16 2013 09:56. Posts 48

Lets create another scenario where the person is able to see the faces of the coin before being blind folded. If it is head/head/head/tail(3-1) or tail/tail/tail/head(1-3), the correct play is to flip only one coin (25% of being correct) and ending the game. But if the game does not end then the person knows for sure it is now 2-2 (head head tail tail) and the correct play from then on is to flip 2 coins until the game is over (50% of being correct). Now of course in the problem the person cannot see the original position of the coin. But now we know we have to get to 2-2 positioning somehow. That is all I thought about so far maybe it can help.


kingpowa   France. Apr 16 2013 10:15. Posts 1525

As Dusty said, at each round, the blindfolded person can turn the coins he wants. By doing it randomly (obviously never flipping 4) he has 1/8 to win. So to your first Q : no, there is not.
And yes, your second question is the same than your first. If there is a strategy for the student to win, there is no strategy for the teacher to make the blidfolded unable to win.

So I guess, your problem is not well presented.

Is there a more efficient way than picking randomly for the blindfolded person ? I guess so but only if the teacher has to define a strategy which is not dependant on the blindfolded's actions.

sorry for shitty english. 

Balzamon   Sweden. Apr 16 2013 11:37. Posts 2868

Hmmmm yes I may have missed some part because Dusty is right as it is now the student can win that way. But i feel like i remembered it all hmm

and it was 1 coin in each corner, 4 total


barbieman   Sweden. Apr 16 2013 13:04. Posts 2132

Can we place all coins in the same corner? :O


HotChip   Iceland. Apr 16 2013 13:21. Posts 146

If I were the teacher I would just face every coin in the same direction hoping for the blindfolded person to always flip 1-3 coins.

All war is based on deception - Sun Tzu 

dnagardi   Hungary. Apr 16 2013 16:10. Posts 1776

when does the blind player win? instantly when the coins are in order or when he says out loud that he thinks the coins are in order and is correct?

btw if the rounds go till infinity then he ll win eventually


TTomass   United States. Apr 19 2013 14:59. Posts 84

I dont understand the question :/


 



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