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Ket    United Kingdom. Jun 06 2012 22:18. Posts 8635
I got a pm from a LPer a while ago who was asking about switching from msnl to plo. I thought I'd share the Q&A


 
Hey Ket,

Just had a few random PLO questions, hope you don't mind, tell me to bugger off if you like

I'm a 2/4+ NL reg atm, and have forever been considering a switch to PLO. How are today's games compared to NL? How do you think the future games will be?

I'm still looking to be playing poker at least 3+ more years, do you think learning PLO would be worth it?

Any general advice on switching is much appreciated, it sure as hell is alot more fun!

Cheers,



Really quick cliff notes:
- people play plo much worse than people play nlhe today
- the above is not necessarily good news, because actually plo is much harder to get good at and quite a bit more complicated than nlhe
- imo there's more potential for money to be made at plo than nlhe and this will most likely remain the case for the foreseeable future (tho really cant speculate on future too well, lots of unforeseen stuff can happen).. but on the flipside it's ofcourse also harder
- nlhe skills dont translate well into plo skills. i personally found plo really frustrating to learn for a long time while i was still playing nlhe on the side, and only really started making progress after i decided to quit nlhe completely and focus 100% on learning plo. it was a risky step to abandon a game i can already make a living at for a game i'm bad at, and probably shouldn't be considered unless you've accumulated enough and are overrolled enough that you can afford to have a fruitless few months at least, and have the strength to keep trying
- i dont need to tell you this as you should already know from having gotten to 2/4nl, but learning a new game to a level where you can make good money won't be easy. not everyone can do it.
- if you invest time learning, playing more than 4 tables is probably the stupidest thing to do. one might even argue 4 is too many when learning. you need to question and think about literally every decision
- you've probably heard things about the variance already. be prepared for long periods of pain and dont fall into the trap of blaming variance and aiev on why you're doing poorly. you could always do work to improve your edge, and a player with a big edge will have 50bi downswings way way way less often than a player with a small edge (i.e. most midstakes regs that play a shitload of tables, go for sne and cry about big variance)

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gos   . Jun 06 2012 22:55. Posts 95

ty for this post ket, gl.


SugoGosu   Korea (South). Jun 06 2012 23:08. Posts 1793

hmmm

What would be the best place to learn PLO? Any decent books for beginners similar to the poker blue print, or a video site like DC, Lego Poker, etc...?

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Siro   Australia. Jun 06 2012 23:42. Posts 1540

thanks ket, nice post


MiPwnYa    Brasil. Jun 07 2012 00:04. Posts 5227

believe it or not u made me wanna play more PLO lol


RaiNKhAN    United States. Jun 07 2012 00:09. Posts 4080

garrbaagge daay

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jun 07 2012 01:17. Posts 4396


  On June 06 2012 23:04 MiPwnYa wrote:
believe it or not u made me wanna play more PLO lol



impossible

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gos   . Jun 07 2012 01:21. Posts 95


  On June 07 2012 00:17 Stroggoz wrote:
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impossible


go for the trillions


Joeingram1   United States. Jun 07 2012 04:00. Posts 943

gd shut the fck up


best way to learn is to 12+ table

 Last edit: 07/06/2012 04:01

CCMoz   United Kingdom. Jun 07 2012 06:06. Posts 925

Could you offer some tips on types of hands to call 3bets OOP after you open or hands to call raises from the blinds with ... ty ;0

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Eluflop   Estonia. Jun 07 2012 07:08. Posts 3821

wise words imo


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Ket    United Kingdom. Jun 07 2012 07:26. Posts 8635

haha do u mean poker2ion? g1

 Last edit: 07/06/2012 19:52

Ket    United Kingdom. Jun 07 2012 07:55. Posts 8635


  On June 06 2012 22:08 SugoGosu wrote:
hmmm

What would be the best place to learn PLO? Any decent books for beginners similar to the poker blue print, or a video site like DC, Lego Poker, etc...?



  On June 07 2012 05:06 CCMoz wrote:
Could you offer some tips on types of hands to call 3bets OOP after you open or hands to call raises from the blinds with ... ty ;0



I encourage you guys to try and find/work out these answers for yourself through your own tireless effort and thinking. I don't wanna get to a point where I'm just spoonfeeding information, I don't think that benefits anyone. Very quickly I'll point you in the right direction -

how to learn - try everything you can think of and do as much as possible. There's no shortcut, the more time you spend playing and thinking and using whatever resources you can find the more you'll benefit. Once again there is no shortcut.

quick abstract hint about the hands thing that might only confuse u more but hopefully might get you thinking a bit closer to the right direction: in plo more so than nl you have to consider future street possibilities when making decisions. some hands flop something pretty decent more often than others, some hands flop nuttier and stronger than others when they flop their strongest, some types of hands are suited to and play better with higher SPR and some are suited to lower SPR. some hands have good implied odds and some hands suffer from reverse implied odds. some opponents make life tough when you're oop, some don't as much.

Pls don't ask any more strategy questions guys, I really don't enjoy discussing them in this way for various reasons. I highly recommend if you want to talk strategy you find some players of similar ability and motivation and get a skype group chat going where you can shoot the breeze and discuss some concepts. Pokerwise things I really enjoy discussing in this sort of public environment are soft skills like tips for good approaches/habits/practices for playing poker professionally. What diet/schedule/exercise is good for concentration, how does having good life balance help, how much glucose the brain needs to perform its best and what snacks are good for long sessions, things like that for example

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Joeingram1   United States. Jun 07 2012 10:36. Posts 943

i think you should start coaching site born2dog, lot of people out there willing pay top dollar for midstake-highstake winning player coach


Joeingram1   United States. Jun 07 2012 10:37. Posts 943

o ya, what are good snacks for long sessions? I usually eat gummi bears and drink gatorade or water


MiPwnYa    Brasil. Jun 07 2012 11:18. Posts 5227

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Endo   United States. Jun 07 2012 11:29. Posts 884


  On June 07 2012 09:37 Joeingram1 wrote:
o ya, what are good snacks for long sessions? I usually eat gummi bears and drink gatorade or water


snack of champions


Ket    United Kingdom. Jun 07 2012 11:44. Posts 8635


  On June 07 2012 09:36 Joeingram1 wrote:
i think you should start coaching site born2dog, lot of people out there willing pay top dollar for midstake-highstake winning player coach


sounds like a ton of work, doubt i'd enjoy it. i just like to play and sometimes discuss with peers


 
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