Anyone near my fitness lvl? (Beginner/intermediate - Page 2

Ah no, diet really is most important, I wasn't really stating my opinion with that. It's a pretty common belief amongst beginner gym and physical training enthusiasts to suggest that it's not. To suggest that it's third in the list... well, I think that's why Newblish sort of went off like that. From my experience, it's the number one factor why people don't see results at all from going to the gym over months of training. Like newblish said, when you activate that 'spark' to initiate change, diet is the big boy that makes sure you get out what you put in. Supplements are part of diet per say. If you treat your body like a well oiled machine, inside and out, the rewards will come pretty fast.

For the first 6-8 months of training, pretty much anything you do will lead to gains with strength and size, which is often why diet is overlooked. Your body is always shocked by your workout that change is guaranteed. It's afterwards when proper routine programming, genetics, and (ding ding ding) diet really start to show their colours. It allows you to keep your ceiling for improvement as high as possible while you train, squeezing everything out of the workout for your body to gain. Keep wolfing down those extra breaded chicken wings and big mac burgers just a few times a week and its no wonder the gains suddenly stop. Like poker, working out is so so so simple to get better than the general population at, but the battle to the very top is near impossible.

You should spend 2-3 days on your off days and find some recommended books by quality and trusted posters on the bigger fitness forums out there. It will pay dividends like you wouldn't believe, and open your eyes immensely. There's so many little shortcuts out there and will save time, money, and energy in the long run than going at it blindfolded like 95% of everyone else. I suggest Rippetoe's books, Strength Training and Practical Programming.

Training smart will lead to faster gains, faster recovery, and will often be most fun while even using a lesser amount of energy.

Reading your posts Newblish reminds me of the World of warcraft forums, sigh, less immature plx!!

Turn that frown upside down!!

Wait, why is LikeASet giving advice in a post that he was asking advice for in? Just stfu and listen if you want advice. My post isn't going to be nice but it's going to be useful.

If you're still 20% BF you need to switch your routine up. Also Personal Trainer (not physical trainer) certifications are not just handed out. There are national certification agencies (about 4 different ones and every PT must have at least one of them) that PT's must have.

It goes like this: 1. Diet, 2. Work out plan, 3. Rest, 256. Supplements

Your work out routine is shit. You don't have nearly enough muscle mass to constitute spending one day working out each muscle group. You need to do a total body workout for the next 6-12 months which is primarily compound movements with some isolation exercises sprinkled in occasionally (once a week, usually). Squat, Bench Press, Deadlift, Rows, Military Press, Chin/Pull-Ups. You need to know how to do these exercises flawlessly. Bodybuilding.com is a good place to learn how to do that. Don't even split these exercises up. Do all of them every workout (except deadlift, do that every other) and then every 3 workouts throw in a couple isolation exercises as a reward. You need to build a foundation and that takes a long time. Once you have that foundation then you can be one of those back/bi, chest/tris, etc. etc. people.

Don't touch another dumbbell for at least a year. Not having a spotter is not an excuse to not use barbells. You should not be pushing yourself to failure as that is not good for your nervous system. You should have a good feeling of what and what you are not capable of lifting. DBs are a very useful tool but you're a novice and will fuck yourself up more than you can possibly help yourself.

If you're trying to lose fat please, please, please stop taking all those fucking supplements, except for maybe the fish oils and multi-vitamin. I can guarantee that your body has no use for all the protein you're taking in. Wanna take a guess where all that unused protein ends up?

Your set and rep ranges are not ideal for losing fat and definitely not ideal for a novice lifter. First of all, you should not be doing the same weight for all of your sets. That's a really good way to injure yourself. You need to start low on your first set up and work up to your high for your final set. If you want to burn fat you need to pick a rep range that suits that. Anything from 8-12 is ideal and do not do more than 3 sets (and never more than 2 sets on deadlifts). Any isolation exercise you do should be a max of 2 sets and 12-15 reps.

Quit being a pussy and do your cardio after you lift. You don't need to warm up on a treadmill before you lift, that's what your first sets are for. Your first set is also great to stress technique. I remember the first time I did cardio after lifting I wanted to throw up and it was probably half effort. Also, stop working out right when you wake up. There is this evil thing called "cortisol." It exists in alcohol and it exists in your body for a short while when you first wake up. Long story short, it destroys your muscle.

DIET DIET DIET DIET DIET. If you neglect a clean diet you're a moron, enough said. Again check out bodybuilding.com for lots of info on diet. Bodybuilding.com is the LP of exercising.

On June 08 2010 02:49 RICHI8 wrote: Wait, why is LikeASet giving advice in a post that he was asking advice for in? Just stfu and listen if you want advice. My post isn't going to be nice but it's going to be useful. If you're still 20% BF you need to switch your routine up. Also Personal Trainer (not physical trainer) certifications are not just handed out. There are national certification agencies (about 4 different ones and every PT must have at least one of them) that PT's must have. It goes like this: 1. Diet, 2. Work out plan, 3. Rest, 256. Supplements Your work out routine is shit. You don't have nearly enough muscle mass to constitute spending one day working out each muscle group. You need to do a total body workout for the next 6-12 months which is primarily compound movements with some isolation exercises sprinkled in occasionally (once a week, usually). Squat, Bench Press, Deadlift, Rows, Military Press, Chin/Pull-Ups. You need to know how to do these exercises flawlessly. Bodybuilding.com is a good place to learn how to do that. Don't even split these exercises up. Do all of them every workout (except deadlift, do that every other) and then every 3 workouts throw in a couple isolation exercises as a reward. You need to build a foundation and that takes a long time. Once you have that foundation then you can be one of those back/bi, chest/tris, etc. etc. people. Don't touch another dumbbell for at least a year. Not having a spotter is not an excuse to not use barbells. You should not be pushing yourself to failure as that is not good for your nervous system. You should have a good feeling of what and what you are not capable of lifting. DBs are a very useful tool but you're a novice and will fuck yourself up more than you can possibly help yourself. If you're trying to lose fat please, please, please stop taking all those fucking supplements, except for maybe the fish oils and multi-vitamin. I can guarantee that your body has no use for all the protein you're taking in. Wanna take a guess where all that unused protein ends up? Your set and rep ranges are not ideal for losing fat and definitely not ideal for a novice lifter. First of all, you should not be doing the same weight for all of your sets. That's a really good way to injure yourself. You need to start low on your first set up and work up to your high for your final set. If you want to burn fat you need to pick a rep range that suits that. Anything from 8-12 is ideal and do not do more than 3 sets (and never more than 2 sets on deadlifts). Any isolation exercise you do should be a max of 2 sets and 12-15 reps. Quit being a pussy and do your cardio after you lift. You don't need to warm up on a treadmill before you lift, that's what your first sets are for. Your first set is also great to stress technique. I remember the first time I did cardio after lifting I wanted to throw up and it was probably half effort. Also, stop working out right when you wake up. There is this evil thing called "cortisol." It exists in alcohol and it exists in your body for a short while when you first wake up. Long story short, it destroys your muscle. DIET DIET DIET DIET DIET. If you neglect a clean diet you're a moron, enough said. Again check out bodybuilding.com for lots of info on diet. Bodybuilding.com is the LP of exercising.

1. Where in my post did I say I was asking for advice? My thread was just for fitness people alike to share their routines, fitness stats etc., although it's cool that people are giving advice.

2. I'm giving my opinions on aspects of fitness, where am I criticizing other people routines and telling other people they're wrong?

RICHI8, thanks for the advice, but you and some others really need to work on your communication skills.

People seem to not understand a few certain things. People are you saying you must do this or that? People can't grasp the concept of lifting as a hobby.

The reason I train 1 body part or 2 each session is because I enjoy challenging myself to see if I can lift slightly heavier than I did the last session. ITS FUN FOR ME AND YES I AM LIFTING MORE AND MORE HEAVIER WEIGHTS EACH TIME. Ex. a couple months ago I started concentrating curling 10 reps 4 sets of 25 right when i started for each arm, now I can basically do almost 4x10 of 45, when I did lat pulldowns i started doing 120 lbs now i can do 185, dumbell rows 65 now couple sets of 100 and couple of 90. AM I SAYING IT'S THE BEST ROUTINE? NO, AM I TELLING OTHERS TO DO THIS? NO

And I will keep taking my protein supplements, I'm still a student and I'm not gonna keep buy chicken breast, turkey meat etc to meet my requirements. Of course natural protein is way better but who has the money/time to prepare all those meals?

Why I work out in the morning, if you work out at night and take no-explode, creatine you're not going to be able to fall asleep because of the creatine and caffine in the supplements. And its worst for a poker grinder to grind in the morning then work out at night as opposed to just working in the morning and then grinding at night.

20% bf is terrible. The fact that you are running 6 miles all out while lifting heavy means you have no idea what you are doing.

Go browse bodybuilding.com forums dude. Also, don't be a douche and flame people like Newblish for giving spot on advice.

Suck it up, you only know (or are doing) 50% of what it takes to look good.

On June 08 2010 12:49 Big_Rob_48 wrote: 20% bf is terrible. The fact that you are running 6 miles all out while lifting heavy means you have no idea what you are doing. Go browse bodybuilding.com forums dude. Also, don't be a douche and flame people like Newblish for giving spot on advice. Suck it up, you only know (or are doing) 50% of what it takes to look good.

Whether they're wrong or whether or right is not an issue. Just because it's the internet does not give a reason for people to talk to eachother like jack asses.

20%bf is bad, why the do you think I'm trying to lose fat? I've treated my body horrible for the past couple years before I started working out these past couple months, and I was well above 20% before I started. I do not give my stats because I'm trying to be hey look at me, I'm such and such, I'm just sharing. And I run 6 miles because I like to run, I used to be in cross country. I like seeing how far I can run given a certain amount of time, or just how far period. Somehow you have the perception that I feel like i'm torturing myself and not seeing any results for no apparent reason.

And I guess I gotta clearify what this thread is again. This thread is hey, I like to do such and such, what do you guys like to do? If you wanna give advice cool, I would appreciate it, but you don't gotta be like hey dude, you have no idea what your doing, or your work out is shit, etc. etc.

If someone asked for your help in the gym or anywhere else, is that how you would actually talk to him/her? What is it about some people who think they can just talk down to people?

You perceive someone telling you stuff you don't want to hear as "being talked down to". Baffling.

But yeah, If you want to run 6 miles and lift weights and such all together thats great. Just make sure to put more focus on diet.

Also, just stick with it. Do your routine for at least 12 weeks and then see if you like where your results are going. If not, you know you have to switch up your routine. The key is to be consistent so you know what you need to change if you don't get the results you want. This means being consistent with your diet, which f'ing sucks and is hard.

I'm no bodybuilder, but have seen great results in body change since doing a consistent routine in march. What I have noticed is that truly when you get down to it, overtraining as compensation for lack of healthy diet just doesn't cut it as you get older. It sucks. Also, I do a lot of protein powder because I don't want to take the time to prepare 5 meals a day as well. I do, however, try to get in one to two whole food meals a day

im always open to advice. when i work out with friends i do their routines as well, but ya i don't know everything, that's why i read forums, books, mags, etc. but ya, referring to richi8's and newbs post, you don't think that's being talked down to? c'mon.

I'm objective, and a few of the posts were way over the top. No1 talks like that to someone in person, and you're in on his blog, show some damn respect. RiCh wrote advices worth gold, but that's not the point. First guy earlier in the thread started acting like a complete asshole, that's why he got offended. And he never claimed to know 100% what he's doing or ask for advice, he wanted to find like minded people and share his new hobby/discussion/we etc.

lal

Appreciate the Bodybuilding site, been reading an hour. A breath of fresh air compared to the Norwegians pages I'm used to.

Also there's a lot of interessting stuff on youtube, if you find the right channels.

On June 08 2010 16:19 Mariuslol wrote: I'm objective, and a few of the posts were way over the top. No1 talks like that to someone in person, and you're in on his blog, show some damn respect. RiCh wrote advices worth gold, but that's not the point. First guy earlier in the thread started acting like a complete asshole, that's why he got offended. And he never claimed to know 100% what he's doing or ask for advice, he wanted to find like minded people and share his new hobby/discussion/we etc. lal Appreciate the Bodybuilding site, been reading an hour. A breath of fresh air compared to the Norwegians pages I'm used to. Also there's a lot of interessting stuff on youtube, if you find the right channels.

Cool, finally, ty