Staking 50NL players to move up to 100NL! part TWO

We have 3 spots open for this. One of LP's member's (zalfor) is currently in our program.

Me and my partner are looking to move a total of 3 people from 50NL 6max to 100NL 6max. You should already be breakeven or winning at 50nl when applying for this stake. We are offering a unique opportunity and are looking for hardworking individuals who truly want to improve their game and move up.

My partner is FenderJaguar, who has received coaching from KRANTZ!!! Yes, check out the videos on deucescracked. This is him.

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Send an email to hiphop1205 [at] gmail.com

Please reply to the email in this format: the bolded parts first, with your response.

Example:

At least TWO reputable vouches from 2p2: dtan05, fenderjaguar
Expected volume: 10k hands a week

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Application:
1) At LEAST TWO reputable vouches from LLP. If you have more, this will greatly increase your chances for a stake. Trading money does NOT count as a vouch, but couldn't hurt either. bonus points for having been staked before.

2) SN on all sites: 2p2 and pokersites

3) PROOF of 50NL over a significant sample (graphs, screenshots, etc)

4) Expected Volume: MINIMUM Acceptable Volume: 10,000 hands per week.

5) What are your long term poker goals and why do you feel like you can achieve them?

6) Feel free to include anything else.

7) If possible, please include your resume.
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In the event you get staked, please have ready:

1) DATABASE of 35k hands or more of you being a player at 50NL6m.
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please type in "email sent" and include your username on all sites, after you have applied. Thanks, and good luck!
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If you are accepted, you will receive a personalized deal within 72 hours.
If you don't hear back from us in 72 hours, you have not been accepted.

By the way, here are some graphs from one of our stakees.

Here is his lifetime desktop graph (most from before the stake, mostly 50NL)



Here he is now, with this year's graph. He's been with us for 6 weeks.

on his laptop


desktop graph:

desktop graph : 1337

If they have been a winning player in NL50, they can move up on their own imo.
They are afterall, winning players at NL50. If they're breakeven players at NL50, the chance of them making it in NL100 is slimmer.
So staking them seems -EV especially if the staked players have a mental block with money that is not theirs.

I think this would be more valuable if it was free coaching instead of staking.
But don't mind me. If anyone is interested, good luck to them.

too bad this isn't for FR

10k hands a week minimum? rofl. where's the catch. breakeven 50nl players enslave yourself to someone who got coaching from someone to coach you to become a nobody

yeah cuz clearly the coaching hasn't helped zalfor at all, as evidenced by the graphs.... oh wait.

emailed.

gl in your staking business

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gimme 10 racks to play hu

I speak to Zalfor on a regular basis and this opportunity seems amazing. Speaking to him a few weeks after he started this program already displayed the difference in his thinking abilities.
I don't have the time to put in enough hands, or I would absolutely go for this.
Even if you're a winning player at NL50, I believe that having a coach reinforce your play, even if it is already correct, is a huge asset to have, and a great confidence boost, to boot. I don't claim to know any of the coaches offering this, but I wanted to stop by and wish good luck to the participants. Yes, you will be giving up a portion of your winnings, but it's not as if you belong to these coaches for life. Unless you're crushing NL50, this has GOT to be very +ev.
I'm a tad jealous > <.

thanks for that mikeymoo

This is a solid opportunity IMO. It sucks to give up a large portion of profit, but in order to get better this is a golden opportunity. These coaches have more vested interest in you and fender is a relly solid teacher.

This is a really good opportunity if u take advantage of it fully.

GL , i think its a great opurtunity cause nl 50 and nl 100 isnt the same, Many more good regs at nl 100. I moved up many times to nl 100 and had to move down , but i went thru nl 50 without too much difficulty. A shame this isnt for HU cause i dont play much 6 max anymore.

do you need our ss number as well?

i am not hardworking nor am i a 6max player. but i do play 50nl and am breakeven over the last 100k hands and i like touching and smelling newly printed money.

Wow this is a dream deal. I put in 50k hands this January at NL50 6max and broke even the entire month.

As an LP poster, I'd like to nominate myself to be a part of this deal. If any reputable players here would be willing to vouch, please let me know. I'll be filling out the application in the meantime, thanks for your support all!

On February 09 2010 22:07 whamm! wrote: i am not hardworking nor am i a 6max player. but i do play 50nl and am breakeven over the last 100k hands and i like touching and smelling newly printed money.

I like the way you think

I've heard Jason Ho strikes a better bargain.

maybe if you all spent the time trolling towards working on your game, you wouldn't be in the low stakes forum. but trolling is more fun, so there we are.....

anyway, look forward to your app vegable, ship it to my email

1: Who are you? What stakes do you play?
2: Why do you need a copy of passport and drivers licence
3: LOL @ anyone who does #2

dtan05 - I might be interested in a month or 2 - don't have 35k hands 50nl yet. Is this ongoing? Spaces when people drop out or move up?

this guys retarded, i applied last time and then he asked for references, obv i have like a million of um, i sent um in and he never emailed me back, pretty frustrating to waste my time when i fit exactly what he was looking for, then didnt have enough people so u come back?? wtf..

1) anybody who goes on 2p2 should have a good idea who i am. if not, i have a ton of reputable vouches at 2p2. and why does it matter who i am? I'm providing YOU with a bankroll to play, and a coach to help you, wtf?

2) in case you try to screw me, i will go after you. it's that easy. I haven't had to resort to anything extreme yet, but this acts as a deterrent not to scam me.

3) LOL @ you, you probably don't even beat 50nl.i have several of successful stakees that would argue otherwise. I am very fair and experienced in staking, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to apply. it's that simple.

ive known vegable since before we played poker.

we were on the same starcraft team, he's a great guy with a great personality.

hope my 10k posts here are worth something, im not registering for 2p2

how much cut of the profits are you taking?

id guess like 80%

On February 10 2010 04:39 dtan05 wrote: 1) anybody who goes on 2p2 should have a good idea who i am. if not, i have a ton of reputable vouches at 2p2. and why does it matter who i am? I'm providing YOU with a bankroll to play, and a coach to help you, wtf? 2) in case you try to screw me, i will go after you. it's that easy. I haven't had to resort to anything extreme yet, but this acts as a deterrent not to scam me. 3) LOL @ you, you probably don't even beat 50nl.i have several of successful stakees that would argue otherwise. I am very fair and experienced in staking, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to apply. it's that simple.

LOL at # 2) What exactly could you do? If you have never resorted to anything extreme in regards to getting scammed, what exactly is it you would plan on doing to this person, when you have no prior extreme retaliation experience regarding someone scamming you? Would you beat this person up? Would you go alone? And how much money would you spend trying to find this person who scammed you out of a 50nl stake? Also I don't think posting in an online forum saying that "if you screw me I will come after you" acts as a deterrent to not scam you.

LOL

Makes sense because there's money involved. The whole i'll go after you is just a way to be sure to not get scammed at all. Pretty sure if you're worth more than 2 vouchers or whatever, you may be able to not let him know your address.
We should stop the whole "i want to be anonymous on the internet", since when money is involved it's hardly the case.

alls he is trying to do is protect himself a little bit...not like u really can over the internet..

but i totally agree with the drivers lisence thing , i would NEVER give the SS# tho

On February 10 2010 06:00 CrownRoyal wrote: id guess like 80%

if they gonna take 80% then its only worth it for you if your a breakeven 50nl player

are you guys actually taking breakeven players?

On February 10 2010 01:25 dtan05 wrote: maybe if you all spent the time trolling towards working on your game, you wouldn't be in the low stakes forum. but trolling is more fun, so there we are..... anyway, look forward to your app vegable, ship it to my email

Who are you again?

On February 10 2010 04:39 dtan05 wrote: 1) anybody who goes on 2p2 should have a good idea who i am. if not, i have a ton of reputable vouches at 2p2. and why does it matter who i am? I'm providing YOU with a bankroll to play, and a coach to help you, wtf? 2) in case you try to screw me, i will go after you. it's that easy. I haven't had to resort to anything extreme yet, but this acts as a deterrent not to scam me. 3) LOL @ you, you probably don't even beat 50nl.i have several of successful stakees that would argue otherwise. I am very fair and experienced in staking, and if you don't like it, then you don't have to apply. it's that simple.

1: Dont browse 2+2 much. But with regards to "why does it matter who I am?" did you miss the Jason Ho threads? What qualifies you as a good coach? what stakes do you play? How long have you been coaching?

Also; why post here advertising for stakes? If youre that well known on 2+2 then you should be able to get enough applications of winning 50NL players from there alone. LP is a tiny site.

2: So i provide you with all my personal information, and even if I dont screw you over, I have to worry about the consequences of what will happen if you decide ive done something against you, or youre generally slack with a document containing all my info and let it get into the wrong hand. As is stated above, theres no deterrant here, also If you were forging passports this would probably be a great way to do it.

3: Why are you like "LOL I GOT HEAPZ WHAT DO IT!" how can you argue that i question you when all you provide are 4 graphs (not ur own) and some guy who "was coached by krantz"

This isnt 2+2 dick, no one knows who you are.

For the record, I wasnt going to apply.

On February 09 2010 22:19 vegable wrote: Wow this is a dream deal. I put in 50k hands this January at NL50 6max and broke even the entire month. As an LP poster, I'd like to nominate myself to be a part of this deal. If any reputable players here would be willing to vouch, please let me know. I'll be filling out the application in the meantime, thanks for your support all!

I'll vouch for vegable, I have done a couple lessons with him and he seems bright and hard working.. I think he would make the most of this opportunity.

fwiw I play 1k and 2knl
gl

So the real question is.

How much do you charge on average for a hour of coaching?

If I signed up for this I would like to know how much it's gonna cost me, and I wouldn't be satisfied with "we'll work something out".

Wow, I'm going to ignore the trolls after this, but my last words towards them

Brynesam:
1) If you read the OP, you would know that the coaching is from FenderJaguar, from deucescracked. he makes videos there, and gets very high ratings.
2) Why am I looking here; if you had any business sense, you would know why
3) Yes, you're right. If this is a passport scam. I GOT YOU! But I'm sure I can make more money playing poker and staking than doing something illegal and highly risky.

Starkue: LOL @ you calling me out when you have 71 posts.
Also, I have a lot of ways to make their life a lot worse when someone scams me, I'm obv not gonna out them, and it won't be very expensive for me either. That's all I'll say about that.

To the rest of you:
Salutary: Our cut is 60%, and yes, we are taking breakeven players. We're looking for 4-8 people now actually.

JSquids/Raise: Thanks, I'm definitely not asking for SS#

Milkman: as I said in PM, none of your references PM'd me back, or I never got them? Either that, or took too long to get to me.

4Kingell: Yes, this is ongoing, so get some hands in, and if there's enough interest, we'll start up another group.

Jamie/crown: thanks for the vouch

60%? lol

i'll do it for 40%

On February 10 2010 11:35 dtan05 wrote: Starkue: LOL @ you calling me out when you have 71 posts.

wut?

My terms are non negotiable, goror.

Oh sorry, I meant to say.

I offer nl50 coaching for 20% below your rate. I'm not to interested in your service sorry.

can someone plz explaine to me why people do this? By this i mean loan money to people and coach them for profit? Why don't they just play poker themselves and invest money into companies rather than individuals you hardly know?

On February 10 2010 11:35 dtan05 wrote: Brynesam: 1) If you read the OP, you would know that the coaching is from FenderJaguar, from deucescracked. he makes videos there, and gets very high ratings. 2) Why am I looking here; if you had any business sense, you would know why 3) Yes, you're right. If this is a passport scam. I GOT YOU! But I'm sure I can make more money playing poker and staking than doing something illegal and highly risky.

1: You arent really very clear in the OP as to what the deal actually is. If the coaching is from him, who are you? Do you coach?

You should really have put a little more effort into your OP. All you do is bark about what people must provide in order to be considered, theres not really anything about what they receive in return (apart from a coaches name)

2: Youre looking for 4 - 6 people only, you really dont need to canvas the entire community and every forum to look for that. So it only really makes sense if you were looking for as many as posible. If YOU have any business sense you should try not coming off as an obnoxious asshole.

3: Its more just a warning to people not to go handing around details of the single most important document they will ever own. That said, the whole idea of entering a staking deal and having to provide your personal details as some kind of insurance so you can fuck them up if anything happens sounds absurd.

Actin like ur Joe Peschi from GoodFellas.
WHERES MY STAKE SPIDER! YOU STUTTERIN-MUTTERIN PRICK YA

Bryne: initially, I thought you were trolling becase, well, a lot of the previous posts were trolling me, so I assumed you were as well. After rereading your post, it doesn't seem that you were trying to troll me at all, and for that, I apologize. I guess I just assumed that your LOL instameant you were trolling.

anyway, You're right that I should put more about what the horse would get in this deal, I'll add that to my posts from now on.

I disagree with your 2nd comment, but we'll just agree to disagree. Cept I turned into an obnoxious asshole b/c the community was trolling me in the beginning, but w/e.

3rd comment: if anything goes wrong, i mean that they scam me. I've had plenty of horses that have lost money, and we've parted on good terms. I understand there is variance in the game, and sometimes I pick bad horses. That's not what the ID is for. The ID is for if they try to run off with my money, and cut all contact with me.

we got our issue settled , it was a prob with my references not pm'ing him back, which is not surprising

Don't be paranoid of the trolling, so this question is purely logical: If your students play 10k hands a week minimum, and you have been doing this for at least 7 months and, not being an idiot, you are going to present your best results as an advertisement; why is the best results you can show over only a 40k hand sample? To me this adds up to not all that.

wait, wut? i fixed my typo, it was only for 6 weeks, not 6 months. someone pointed it out to me earlier.

usually when you see an advertisment

the ad is telling you how good it is, and why you should buy it (your pretty much selling coaching here)

your op basically makes a lists a bunch of demands, not the most enticing, i'd like more information about the areas you would help people improve

The LP community is largely over-cynical and hates every newcomer that doesn't immediately come off as "loyal" to LP, especially if he comes in and uses the forums as a vehicle for his business. If you had any "business sense" you should have foreseen this as it's a long-standing trait of this community. I can't speak on behalf of the entire community because I'm still a random, but I apologize in part of LP for the cynicism, but now that that's over with, you need to deal with everything past the cynicism (which includes the honest criticisms) or else you only serve to reflect poorly in the views of the community. That's all I have to say about that.

Secondly, anyone who truly is breaking even at 50nl will benefit from this. FenderJaguar (I've never seen any of his videos or know who he is personally) does not need to be CTS or Krantz himself to teach you how to beat 50nl. I'm sure I have no official credibility/$$millions myself but people pay me to help them at 50nl and it helps them move up. It's 2010, if you're still at 50nl after years of playing and breaking even you need to do something about it. Look at it as an investment. I myself have paid thousands of dollars in the form of coaching from some incredibly great players. Am I at 25/50? Nah, but I'm consistently winning more and more in a time where games just get tougher and tougher. Could I get to where I am now without having spent money on coaching? Probably, but it'd be a long while from now. Don't look at it as a matter of $ but as a matter of time. What these guys are trying to do is cut the time it takes for you to personally move up from 50nl to 100nl.

Salutary, yes I've already addressed that in my post above.

Panorama; thank you for that, I should have handled the trolling more professionally, I agree. Regarding the constructive criticisms that have been posted, I am genuinely thankful for everyone that has given me the advice, and plan to apply it the best I can.

I don't get it... isn't it better to get a coach ?

We're gonna be accepting apps until 11:59PM on 2/15/2010

wow, this thread has totally went to shit lol.

i miss the trolling

are those zalfors grahps on the front page? Just curious of some of the poker handles of your current students so i can take a look at their PTR's

Yeah. Those are my graphs. The coaching is basically the beginning of my upswing on my ptr. I also love playing against u verygud
XD. It's veryfun.

rofl pretty standard lp itt

<3

i would like to apply , but im too lazy to do any of the requirements.

Your attitude doesn't seem very professional dtan.

But guess amateurism is normal amongst the internet kids nowadays.

Despite the horrible presentation and attitude of yourself I think this deal would be good for many.

okay okay i'll stop for real this time.

last bump, last day to accept apps.

All interested parties have been replied to, gl everyone.

Revoking driver's license requirement, and 1 spot open cuz someone flaked.

lol you guys troll too much, looks pretty legit considering zalfor's improvements over a short period of time.

i would love to apply but i dont have anyone to vouch for me =/ 71k hands this month and only minimal profit =/ thank god for rakeback lol