NL100 KK rush poker 180bb deep

Submitted by : edzwoo

Full Tilt Poker Game #18269975769: Table Adrenaline - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:53:12 ET - 2010/02/07
Seat 1: VR6Vdubbin ($253.65)
Seat 2: airisJS ($112.50)
Seat 3: mrjay1 ($100)
Seat 4: Self Tilted ($179.05)
Seat 5: FamousRay ($174.40)
Seat 6: AntiRake_com ($199.95)
Seat 7: victorfuc1 ($40.50)
Seat 8: ITSNOGOOD4U ($101)
Seat 9: luthar27 ($245.05)
airisJS posts the small blind of $0.50
mrjay1 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1

Holecards
Dealt to AntiRake_com
Self Tilted raises to $3
FamousRay folds
AntiRake_com has 15 seconds left to act
AntiRake_com raises to $11
victorfuc1 folds
ITSNOGOOD4U folds
luthar27 folds
VR6Vdubbin folds
airisJS folds
mrjay1 folds
Self Tilted calls $8

Flop (Pot : $23.50)

   
Self Tilted checks
AntiRake_com bets $14
Self Tilted calls $14

Turn (Pot : $51.50)

   
Self Tilted checks
AntiRake_com has 15 seconds left to act
AntiRake_com bets $31
Self Tilted raises to $154.05, and is all in
AntiRake_com has 15 seconds left to act
AntiRake_com has requested TIME
AntiRake_com

Also, I was trying to leave a PSB on river, but looking at it again I feel that would give me more FE and less value on earlier streets.

What kinda of bet sizing should we be having on the flop and turn? Does anyone think just potting 20 on flop and 60 on turn sound okay? I think the flop bet might get called a lot regardless of what I bet, but I'm not sure what would be a good turn bet size.

no reads + 3bet pot + KK =call

I think you are right on betting more on flop because of the stack sizes.
I would bet a healthy amount on turn so that river is a pot sized shove after betting enough on flop.

If he does flat the turn and A, Q or J lands. Well, you do have position.
I suppose you can call like half sized bets and fold to rest... not sure what other options you have.
If he checks, I guess you can check back as well for control.

This is a tough hand though.
While the whole check-call, check-raise AI is a classic nut line from a fish, I think that turbo-jam is really fishy and I might call.
Yeah.. you know what, I'll probably call this and make a note upon defeat.

Damn, I'm trying to think what to do, but it's not poker!
I am playing different game I suppose.

I would make some calculation what kinda hands he might have
and given 2:1 odds, make decision.

bigger 3b pf?

Without results I am 100% positive this is AK/AQ being stubborn and trying to get you off your hand since ya'll are deep and you're betting size is weak

On February 08 2010 02:13 OpWestAcct wrote: Without results I am 100% positive this is AK/AQ being stubborn and trying to get you off your hand since ya'll are deep and you're betting size is weak

for some reason i dont think villain has AK /AQ here....

1 hole, rush, call. having the Ks concerns me. not happy about it. still calling.

On February 08 2010 02:13 OpWestAcct wrote: Without results I am 100% positive this is AK/AQ being stubborn and trying to get you off your hand since ya'll are deep and you're betting size is weak

ban?

Fold, JJ 66 if he has a made hand what can ya beat? Either way ahead or way behind.

P.S. rush poker is silly, might as well play the lotto.

On February 08 2010 06:00 Rescom wrote: Fold, JJ 66 if he has a made hand what can ya beat? Either way ahead or way behind. P.S. rush poker is silly, might as well play the lotto.

why?

this is pretty gross. oh well i'd call and punch a wall if it was some 67suited hand/set that decided to call because of implied odds.

On February 08 2010 02:13 OpWestAcct wrote: Without results I am 100% positive this is AK/AQ being stubborn and trying to get you off your hand since ya'll are deep and you're betting size is weak

How did you kNow?!?!

this is a spot where i make a grimace and click call

Without reads its pretty safe to assume that cc/cr is nuts most of the time, thus warranting a fold. Thats empirical from only about 80k hands @ micros on different sites, someone else may have had a different experience.

On February 17 2010 15:06 CrownRoyal wrote: this is a spot where i make a grimace and click call

+1

You're full ring, so I'm pretty sure he has a set here a vast majority of the time. I think it's safe to assume that he would have 4bet AA pre with deep stacks, and that's ahead of you anyway. Rush poker FR players are nits. He calls you with a smaller pp here to set mine and stack you if he hits, imho. To him, your range is almost exclusively AA KK QQ AK. If he's unknown to you, you're most certainly unknown to him. Does he give you credit to fold AA KK QQ? No. Will he put you on bare AK when you bet twice? Unlikely. So if you call here, he's done his job. If he flats AK or AQ pre then he's playing fit or fold. AJ isn't doing this c/c c/r line either. Ergo, set.

If he flats turn, check behind river on A, Q, J. People don't read hands properly and the A is going to kill any action you have. Same with the Q and AJ. (If you bet the J he puts you on AJ and if you bet the Q he puts you on QQ but won't fold his set, nor will he call down with AJ anymore.)

look at his name
hes tilted!!!!!!!!

even without hud, can you tell us if this villain is at all tricky/aggro or loose?

lots of Jxs, prolly not lower than J9ss, maybe Axs, 54 got there but we have no idea if he plays that pf. readless I think you have to pay it off and make a note when villain shows 33/66.

On February 19 2010 10:46 Oxy wrote: even without hud, can you tell us if this villain is at all tricky/aggro or loose? lots of Jxs, prolly not lower than J9ss, maybe Axs, 54 got there but we have no idea if he plays that pf. readless I think you have to pay it off and make a note when villain shows 33/66.

Nope, no clue. I just randomly got seated with this guy since it's rush poker. If I had to make a total guess, I just assume the guy doesn't have that many Jacks in his range since he's raising UTG in FR.

On February 07 2010 20:52 joLin wrote: bigger 3b pf?

3b PF is aight but i would bet more on flop and without info get it in on turn probably shove not let hiim shove

gotta snap call rly