JJ vs ep (very tight) and shorty

Submitted by : Presti

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PokerStars Game #39325921935: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/02/06 12:26:01 ET
Table Virgo III 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Mstrdrvr ($10.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($52 in chips)
Seat 3: effuno99 ($8 in chips)
Seat 4: CadiaOvidiu ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 5: lazybeer ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: Slemmis ($19.50 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.25
effuno99: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
CadiaOvidiu: folds
lazybeer: raises $1.50 to $2
Slemmis: folds
Mstrdrvr: raises $8.75 to $10.75 and is all-in
Hero: calls $10.50
effuno99: folds
lazybeer: calls $8.75

Flop (Pot : $32.75)

   
Hero: checks
lazybeer: bets $13
Hero has timed out
Hero: folds

your a retard

what hands in his range do you think you're beating?

hmm gross spot.

i shove QQ+/AK in this spot for sure. so probably JJ too.

never flat.

preflop, that is

wtf

how do you fold here after calling that preflop bet AND seeing this flop

On February 06 2010 15:36 dafcnz wrote: wtf how do you fold here after calling that preflop bet AND seeing this flop

fold pre imo
JJ is like a cutoff, shove QQ+ AK, but fold JJ , i dont expect to be ahead very often here

On February 06 2010 16:44 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2010 15:36 dafcnz wrote: wtf how do you fold here after calling that preflop bet AND seeing this flop

let me clarify this if you're still baffled. THE ONLY REASON YOU CALL PRE is you think you're vs AQ/AK the board comes under cards to your pair ( OPTIMAL SITUATION) and you fold WTF

that said you should probably fold pre

i like turtles

On February 06 2010 15:18 d.Apollo wrote: your a retard

I appreciate that

On February 06 2010 16:57 Etherone wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2010 16:44 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote:   On February 06 2010 15:36 dafcnz wrote: wtf how do you fold here after calling that preflop bet AND seeing this flop let me clarify this if you're still baffled. THE ONLY REASON YOU CALL PRE is you think you're vs AQ/AK the board comes under cards to your pair ( OPTIMAL SITUATION) and you fold WTF that said you should probably fold pre

read the hand again guys, ty

On February 06 2010 17:30 Presti wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2010 15:18 d.Apollo wrote: your a retard I appreciate that   On February 06 2010 16:57 Etherone wrote:   On February 06 2010 16:44 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote:   On February 06 2010 15:36 dafcnz wrote: wtf how do you fold here after calling that preflop bet AND seeing this flop let me clarify this if you're still baffled. THE ONLY REASON YOU CALL PRE is you think you're vs AQ/AK the board comes under cards to your pair ( OPTIMAL SITUATION) and you fold WTF that said you should probably fold pre read the hand again guys, ty

LOL READ THE HAND AGAIN GUYS

open raiser is: 10/7/1.0/89h

JUST FOLD PRE
omfg

i'd say call pre if the other guy hadn't shoved over the raise...in this case it's pretty easy fold pre.

as played i think you have to shove flop.

On February 06 2010 16:57 Etherone wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2010 16:44 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote:   On February 06 2010 15:36 dafcnz wrote: wtf how do you fold here after calling that preflop bet AND seeing this flop let me clarify this if you're still baffled. THE ONLY REASON YOU CALL PRE is you think you're vs AQ/AK the board comes under cards to your pair ( OPTIMAL SITUATION) and you fold WTF that said you should probably fold pre

We call to get it in vs midstack if we know he is retarded (high probability). This would be a math question imo for how wide the midstack shoving range has to be if we think original raiser continues only with QQ+ AK, raises 7% and we fold/c/f if he does continue.

Who will give me that exact range will get a candy :o

On February 06 2010 15:18 d.Apollo wrote: your a retard

agreed

prob fold ;0]
10/7 is kinda ridicilous, you beat 99 / 88 (not by much) you are crushed by JJ-AA..

this is why i perfer playing without a hud, so I can shove here and be happy about it


on that note - shove prelfop to isolate the shortstacker next time

Im suprised that people keeping these haters in the community anyway

i think decision should be made pre and i should ship coz 7% is not that narrow and he might fold even hand strong as QQ coz he is so nitty

obv i screwed up pre but I would still play the same post even if i wouldnt time out coz with his aggression he would probably try go to showdown with AK-AQ type hand

Submitted by : Presti

PokerStars Game #39325921935: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/02/06 12:26:01 ET
Table Virgo III 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Mstrdrvr ($10.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($52 in chips)
Seat 3: effuno99 ($8 in chips)
Seat 4: CadiaOvidiu ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 5: lazybeer ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: Slemmis ($19.50 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.25
effuno99: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
CadiaOvidiu: folds
lazybeer: raises $1.50 to $2
Slemmis: folds
Mstrdrvr: raises $8.75 to $10.75 and is all-in
Hero: calls $10.50
effuno99: folds
lazybeer: calls $8.75

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $32.75)

   
Hero: checks
lazybeer: bets $13
Hero has timed out
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet ($13) returned to lazybeer

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $32.75)

   

River (Pot : $32.75)

   

Showdown
lazybeer: shows (a pair of Jacks)
Mstrdrvr: shows (high card Ace)
lazybeer collected $31.15 from pot

Summary
Total pot $32.75 | Rake $1.60
Board  
Seat 1: Mstrdrvr (button) showed and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: Hero (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: effuno99 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: CadiaOvidiu folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: lazybeer showed and won ($31.15) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: Slemmis folded before Flop (didnt bet)

On February 06 2010 18:47 Presti wrote: i think decision should be made pre and i should ship coz 7% is not that narrow

lawl

On February 06 2010 18:47 Presti wrote: Im suprised that people keeping these haters in the community anyway i think decision should be made pre and i should ship coz 7% is not that narrow and he might fold even hand strong as QQ coz he is so nitty obv i screwed up pre but I would still play the same post even if i wouldnt time out coz with his aggression he would probably try go to showdown with AK-AQ type hand

As much as most of us think pre was a mistake postflop was a huge mistake.
your logic that you should fold when you think he will show down AQ is ridiculous you should be ecstatic to get it all in on that flop when someone has AQ or AK vs your JJ

some people are giving you advice with logical reasoning and you are ignoring the arguments and going with your own. as much as i don't appreciate people calling eachother retards for no reason, you shouldn't ask for help if you aren't prepared to take advice.

shove or fold, calling is silly because it will encourage the origional raiser to just call with AK or something and play fit or fold on the flop, and you don't want lower pairs to catch up for cheap.

There was a raise and a huge overbet all in, fold pre flop and save your money. The original raiser was still to act and you would be dominated most of the time in this situation with JJ. Blindly shoving your money away is silly. Calling and checking a 10 high board then folding is also silly. You made 2 mistakes here, you played JJ when ya shouldnt have in a squeeze. Then you got your optimal flop then check/folded.

QQ maybe ... KK AA different story, easy shove pre, but you gave the guy behind you odds to call with just about anything that he could raise with. Long story short, fold pre.

i like shoving pf.

On February 06 2010 19:55 LikeASet wrote: shove or fold, calling is silly because it will encourage the origional raiser to just call with AK or something and play fit or fold on the flop, and you don't want lower pairs to catch up for cheap.

lol at only calling here with AK

On February 06 2010 19:33 Sanai wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2010 18:47 Presti wrote: i think decision should be made pre and i should ship coz 7% is not that narrow lawl

whats funny in this?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.915% 41.12% 00.80% 174602877 3389920.00 { 66+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 57.927% 57.36% 00.80% 243588000 3393397.50 { JJ }

and even if his ep range is tighter than that he is so nitty that he can fold hands strong as AK and QQ

as I said, I like green star advice just ship pre

On February 07 2010 06:03 Presti wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2010 19:33 Sanai wrote:   On February 06 2010 18:47 Presti wrote: i think decision should be made pre and i should ship coz 7% is not that narrow lawl whats funny in this? equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 41.915% 41.12% 00.80% 174602877 3389920.00 { 66+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ } Hand 1: 57.927% 57.36% 00.80% 243588000 3393397.50 { JJ } and even if his ep range is tighter than that he is so nitty that he can fold hands strong as AK and QQ as I said, I like green star advice just ship pre

lawl