Durrr vs Hellmuth HU?

In case you weren't following the recent news in the poker world, Phil Hellmuth Jr. had a really poor run over the last few days. First, after making the final table of the L.A. Poker Classic, he ended up going out in sixth place after being crippled by Nam Le.

Next, the eleven-time WSOP bracelet winner drew Tom "durrrr" Dwan in the first round of the National Heads-Up Poker Championship. The match ended after just three hands, after the two players got all of their chips in the middle with Dwan holding pocket tens and Hellmuth Jr. holding pocket Aces. A ten came on the turn, and Hellmuth was eliminated.

Based on his past behavior, it's pretty obvious that Hellmuth Jr. doesn't have a tremendous amount of respect for young "Internet" players. He has had run-ins with a number of young superstars, including the likes of Justin "Zeejustin" Bonomo, Sorel "Imper1um" Mizzi and now Tom "durrrr" Dwan.

As you can probably imagine, Hellmuth was more than a little upset after taking this beat, and went on to explain to "durrrr" that Dwan had played the hand extremely poorly. Dwan countered with a proposal to play a $100k heads-up match.

Hellmuth talks about the proposed match-up in his most recent blog posting. Hellmuth states his terms: they will need to play at a casino in the bay area, they will need to play during the daytime, and they will play "whenever he feels like it". Hellmuth goes on to say that he has nothing to gain by playing Dwan. I have a strong feeling that this match-up will never happen.

Negreanu challenged Hellmuth to a heads-up battle in the past, even offering up a % of Hellmuth's losses back, but Hellmuth didn't take him up on the challenge. I have a strong feeling that he won't end up playing Dwan as well.

I'm not sure what a one-off heads-up match would prove anyways. They should really play a number of heads-up matches, however there is little to no chance of that actually happening. Maybe at the World Series of Poker?

Hellmuth Jr. is an immensely talented No Limit Hold'em tournament player - there is no doubt about that. However, I believe that in a heads-up cash game battle, Dwan would definitely have the edge. As a matter of fact, I think that I would take Dwan, Mizzi or Bonomo in a heads-up match over Hellmuth anyday. Hellmuth seems to think that a "young" poker player just can't be as good as him, and I would disagree strongly with that statement. Hellmuth has the edge in experience, but in terms of "Poker IQ", Dwan shines just as brightly as Hellmuth does, if not brighter. If you asked Ivey, Antonius and other top cash game players who they'd rather play heads-up, I am willing to bet that almost everyone would say Hellmuth.

As I said, I like Hellmuth a lot and think that he does a lot to help promote the game, but he needs to lose this whole "Internet" players are garbage attitude that he has, cause it's just not true. I hope that this match does in fact go down, and I hope that they make it a series of matches. I'll bet on Dwan to win, anyone want the other side?

Quoted from pokerking.com

rofl would be a sick funny match-up to rail but of course Durrr has all the edge in the world and Hellmuth knows this hes just trying to save his ego by talking alot of shit.

yeah durrr would crush hellmuths face

Especially how the structure for the NBC heads up tournament was really fast and the stacks werent very deep.
It was probably the correct play to get all in with 10-10 in that spot. Who knows.
And in typical hellmuth fasion he goes crazy on the internet player who sucks out. LOL?
When is he ever going to get use to losing 4-1 flips?

I wish I could of seen hellmuths face when durrr said he wanted to play him for 100k heads up. Would of been priceless.

yeah seriously. maybe if durr asked for a higher amount hellmuth would play. for instance if they played like 500/1000 blinds for 500k thatd make things interesting.

On March 10 2008 10:25 shaneomac wrote: yeah seriously. maybe if durr asked for a higher amount hellmuth would play. for instance if they played like 500/1000 blinds for 500k thatd make things interesting.

lolz i think that hellmuth is the one that's scared to put in 100k for a HU

durrr would crush him =(

On March 10 2008 10:25 shaneomac wrote: yeah seriously. maybe if durr asked for a higher amount hellmuth would play. for instance if they played like 500/1000 blinds for 500k thatd make things interesting.

I think durrr proposed a series of HU 100k matches. Like.. 30 HU SNG 100k matches. Not sure though, just what I heard.

if i'm gonna take hellmuth to win this in a sidebet i want very good odds.

Durr definately has a very significant edge if it's a HU cash game for sure.

fuck it he has an edge period if it's NLHE

I have no idea if durr is sick at other games which i'm sure he probably is.

durrr ll pwn him on PLO or NLHE

lol you internet nuthuggers
Phil Hellmuth has ELEVEN bracelets.

On March 10 2008 12:43 sOah wrote: lol you internet nuthuggers Phil Hellmuth has ELEVEN bracelets.

hihihihi

Grudge matches are dumb. I don't blame him for not wanting to play.

for someone that talks so much shit, he should be doing them on a regular basis.

Hellmuth is a very good tournament player but he'd get annihilated in cash games just like in HSP... We all know it and he knows it as well.

So what you're saying is Hellmuth pulled a Hellmuth and then once he cooled off made the intelligent +EV decision of most likely not ever winding up playing Durr heads up. Maybe good decisions like this are part of the reason he has 11 bracelets.

maybe he shouldn't say someone sucks and then decline to play for serious moniez with him?

i mean yeah he's got 11 bracelets - sick acomplishment. but that's in tournament 10handed poker

http://www.tsn.ca/shows/otr/
theres a video of him on Off the Record.

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How can you not like Phil when he is such great value for money.

At the moment I am watching "The Best Damn Poker Show" season 2 it has Phil and his bunch of students taking on Annie Duke and her students. Phil drops some pretty funny gems in it. You won't learn anything but it's entertaining.