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HU is sick

hu is way better than 6max

I don't know why you call it a swing when you simply played bad? Even by your own admission? That just seems foolish and delusional to the truth.

EDIT: I don't mean to kick you while you're down or anything but it seems more important to simply be honest with yourself and realistic.

well I only mentioned the spots where I played bad and not the ones where I got sucked out/coolered/fucked in otherwise cause its quite uninteresting. Obviously I didnt spew off 3,6k from playing like a retard.

What I mean with swings is for example the fact that when deep almost every pot we played was 3-bet preflop and involved multiple barrels with alot off blufffs/super light calldowns etc.

and these swings caused tilt which caused me to lose more.

im mything my own blog T_T

saki, i think its good u blog about this, will help u a lot

against these players who just hero call down all day, i make several adjustments -

- open tighter
- pot every street when i actually do bet and double barrel with a high frequency on good boards, not even necessarily good turns, they just c/c so light but dont for 2 barrels usually (if they do, 3 barrel or c/f flop)
- use overbets/pot size bets to your advantage
- try to relax and realise this player is actually very tough to beat because they just never fold, they're tougher than a lot of agg opponents.

idk if that helps, maybe it does or doesnt but i think u could also critique my adjustments

just stop playing when the momentum really isnt in your favour esp if u think u have tilt problems find a new opponent or stop playing for a while

The fact you called down light when he multi barrelled a few times and were right doesn't necessarily make those call downs good or his plays bad. It just means that in a vacuum, in those hands specifically, you happened to be right. That doesn't make your plays good or his plays bad. Thinking so just shows a complete lack of perspective. And considering how much you lost while playing bad I fail to see how you could have lost significantly more from being coolered/sucked out/whatever. It just doesn't leave that much room for that.

It sounds like you ran like god at the beginning of the session, thought you were a hero, then got your face smashed.

Your constantly posting in your blog about running good and bad and when you're whining and running bad I see a number of hands that you post that I don't think are really any good at all. Then when you're running good, I see the same thing, you just happen to be winning at the time. But when you're winning you seem to think "oh yeah, I'm playing good now, I totally own" and when you're not, you think you're just getting screwed and that god hates you or something. You just have to be honest with yourself and realistic. It's easy to justify everything by looking at it in a way that makes you feel better, that justifies your actions in a light that makes you see them how you want to. That doesn't make you good and that doesn't make it right.

And yeh, people will support however you want to see things because they want to support you and don't want to make you feel bad. But generic "keep your chin up, things will improve" or "yeah! you're the master, you didn't do anything wrong!" don't actually help anything or help you improve. They just go to further bad thought processes and trying to make you feel better when that isn't really what's important at all.

I dunno, again, I'm not trying to kick you while you're down. It's just a pattern that I keep seeing in you and I'm just being honest. I could be totally off base and wrong but this is just how I see things.

The most important thing is to be able to look at each and every session and hand in the same light regardless of results. That can be really hard to do after a particularly bad or good session because things get to our head a little but after we calm down and cool off we should be able to look at things realistically. Not let our egos get to us. If you can't do that then you really shouldn't be playing at all because it's just going to make things go poorly in the long run. It's not like I'm saying you're supposed to feel GOOD after a session like this but you can't let how you're running on any given day dictate how you perceive how things went. That's just poor judgment. Take your time to be emotional about it and then after that take a step back and try to really really look at it. And if you're having trouble with that, ask somebody for help. It just seems silly to let your emotions govern you day in and day out. It doesn't need to be that way.

It's not like I'm saying you're bad or you don't have some good things about you. I'm saying there are a lot of things about you that have room for improvement and until you identify those things and work at them you can't actually do anything about it and you'll be stuck in the same rut that you've been in for a long time now.

I have no idea why you felt the need to write an essay about this... I really dont know what you are talking about. This is in short what I said in my post:

I played a really swingy HU match against a bad player.
The swongness made me tilt.
I feel bad about this.
Boho.
Lets try and do better.

And yes, villian was quite lucky in this match. And no, I dont really care about that.

Its also funny how you seem to think you have a better judgment about the spots I was in than I had myself. The whole "call down light" rant is laughable. Obviously I cant know for certain without an enormous hand sample that calling him down every single time is good. but reasoning like you do is really really retarded and is going to destroy you HU. I called down based on gameflow, timingtells, boardtexture and previous action, its not like Im blindly calling down every single time. And no, I dont think I can fold TPGK in a reraised pot when he bets the turn, simply because he has shown in the past hes definitely capable of betting a really wide range there, hes even valuebetting a worse 9 there sometimes.

Im sorry but I dont really care if you think I play good/bad w/e. This pattern you are seeing is me whining when losing and celebrating when winning? Sureley thats quite unique. I constantly reevaluate my play in every hand I play just because I dont post about it on my blog doesnt mean I dont do it. I run this blog for two reasons. To whine when Im losing, and to brag when Im winning.

And I am not in a rut really. Yeah I broke even for about 100k hands on FTP but shit like that happens. Especially since I wasnt playing all to well. Im still over 12ptbb/100 on 2/4 hu after this session and Im running at 6ptbb/100 on 6-max so far.

so whatever man, your a tool. Hu for rolls?

On March 08 2008 07:38 SakiSaki wrote: Swings like this are not impossible when you play a guy superdeep who doesnt mind playing huge pots with marginal hands but I could definitely have avoided some of the spots where I tilted away aloot and it fucking sucks assfuck. Im so pissed at myself right now you cant believe it.

This is what I in my post said about swings.

They are not impossible against a guy like this. (no they are definitely not)
I could have avoided losing alot and that sucks(yes that really sucks)

Do you see me anywhere saying anything about god hating me or me not taking responsebility for my play?

Oh and the two main pots I tilted in where one 250bbs deep($1000) and one 150bbs deep($600)

Add those together and you will get 1,6k

Subtract 1,6 from what I lost from what I lost totally after my peak

3,6k - 1,6k = 2k

Meaning I lost 2k in pots I didnt tilt. Sure maybe I could have played one or two diffrently but all in all I like how I played all of them.

overreaction of the century, Freak. here comes Saki posting an honest blog about a bad session and even admitting he made some mistakes and you bash him for supposedly whining about it.
and wtf, we all brag about good sessions and whine sometimes about bad ones. Saki is hardly worse than anyone else when it comes to this, probably infact the opposite. if you're trying to help him you're really coming off as a gigantic douchebag and should maybe work on your ways of teaching a little
your whole post, or posts, really sound like you think Saki is a bad player even with your disclaimer attempts. imo this is not true, I've seen plenty hands from him that leave me pretty impressed. there are better targets to pick if you want to flame without making it look like you're flaming

Whatever, I tried to help you and you blew a gasket and decided to insult me like a child.

Do whatever the fuck you want. I didn't attack you in any way and just tried to give you some perspective. I didn't tell you what to do. I didn't even insult you. I don't know why you're attacking me. I "wrote an essay about this" because I was trying to help, not because I was being malicious. The fact that you can't see this is what's "laughable".

But if you feel the need to attack me despite me not doing anything even remotely similar, then be my guest. It just goes to show what kind of person you really are.

On March 08 2008 13:20 Stygg wrote: overreaction of the century, Freak. here comes Saki posting an honest blog about a bad session and even admitting he made some mistakes and you bash him for supposedly whining about it. and wtf, we all brag about good sessions and whine sometimes about bad ones. Saki is hardly worse than anyone else when it comes to this, probably infact the opposite. if you're trying to help him you're really coming off as a gigantic douchebag and should maybe work on your ways of teaching a little your whole post, or posts, really sound like you think Saki is a bad player even with your disclaimer attempts. imo this is not true, I've seen plenty hands from him that leave me pretty impressed. there are better targets to pick if you want to flame without making it look like you're flaming

Anything I said was hardly a flame? And little of my post is referring to this blog post by itself but towards his attitude as a whole. I made this abundantly clear in everything I said. The fact that you can't see this just shows that you aren't understanding anything that I'm saying.

On March 08 2008 13:17 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2008 07:38 SakiSaki wrote: Swings like this are not impossible when you play a guy superdeep who doesnt mind playing huge pots with marginal hands but I could definitely have avoided some of the spots where I tilted away aloot and it fucking sucks assfuck. Im so pissed at myself right now you cant believe it. This is what I in my post said about swings. They are not impossible against a guy like this. (no they are definitely not) I could have avoided losing alot and that sucks(yes that really sucks) Do you see me anywhere saying anything about god hating me or me not taking responsebility for my play? Oh and the two main pots I tilted in where one 250bbs deep($1000) and one 150bbs deep($600) Add those together and you will get 1,6k Subtract 1,6 from what I lost from what I lost totally after my peak 3,6k - 1,6k = 2k Meaning I lost 2k in pots I didnt tilt. Sure maybe I could have played one or two diffrently but all in all I like how I played all of them.

You mentioned 3 hands by my count, not two. One didn't say how big the pot was. Assuming it was of reasonable size that still only leaves just over 200bbs that weren't lost due to bad play. The amount that was is hardly insignificant.

How you guys aren't able to see that I'm talking about his attitude as a whole and posts he's been making for a long while now and not this post specifically is completely beyond me.

Neither of you even countered anything I said, you just attacked me baselessly. I give a thought out post that actually attempts to make a point and explain it thoroughly and you do nothing but bash me and treat me as if I'm a complete piece of shit.

Both of you need to grow the fuck up.

On March 08 2008 13:22 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2008 13:20 Stygg wrote: overreaction of the century, Freak. here comes Saki posting an honest blog about a bad session and even admitting he made some mistakes and you bash him for supposedly whining about it. and wtf, we all brag about good sessions and whine sometimes about bad ones. Saki is hardly worse than anyone else when it comes to this, probably infact the opposite. if you're trying to help him you're really coming off as a gigantic douchebag and should maybe work on your ways of teaching a little your whole post, or posts, really sound like you think Saki is a bad player even with your disclaimer attempts. imo this is not true, I've seen plenty hands from him that leave me pretty impressed. there are better targets to pick if you want to flame without making it look like you're flaming Anything I said was hardly a flame? And little of my post is referring to this blog post by itself but towards his attitude as a whole. I made this abundantly clear in everything I said. The fact that you can't see this just shows that you aren't understanding anything that I'm saying.

no you really didn't make it abundantly clear. putting a one-liner disclaimer after ranting about how his mindset is wrong is a bit of a flaming in my book. i guess we don't relate to people in the same way. Sure enough I've seen some flaws in Saki's game but I could take a look at 20 different hands from almost all players on LP including myself, and see the same.

As for his supposed "attitude as a whole", I think his attitude is better than many others. Most people wouldn't even post a blog admitting they made some big mistakes that cost them the session. They would whine about running bad instead. imo your attitude as a whole is self righteous and that's much worse than anything I've seen Saki post. I still dont see why you picked him as your target, bad day or something?

I'm not talking about other people. I'm talking about him. I don't care what other people do or have to say. I care what saki does or has to say. It doesn't matter what other people do or don't do, that doesn't make what he says or is doing anymore right or wrong that it is. An admission to making mistakes doesn't make the mistakes that are being made somehow less mistakes than they are.

And one-liner disclaimer? It was bigger than one line, I made an effort to explain my point thoroughly and your refusal to see that is frustrating, to say the least.

I can't believe I let both of you get under my skin like this. Unless either of you are actually going to make an honest effort to comment on what I said as opposed to just making blanket statements, I don't think I'm going to respond anymore. You're both being completely unreasonable and unfair in your reactions.

I think I'm a very reasonable person. I also think you need to reread your first few posts and look at it as a whole and you will probably see how anyone will be prone to thinking it's a bit of a flame. your whole tone sounds like youre trying to teach The Correct Way Of Thinking.

but whatever, since you asked me to comment on what you actually said, I will.

The fact you called down light when he multi barrelled a few times and were right doesn't necessarily make those call downs good or his plays bad. It just means that in a vacuum, in those hands specifically, you happened to be right. That doesn't make your plays good or his plays bad. Thinking so just shows a complete lack of perspective.

So how exactly should one go about determining what is a good play and what isn't? And who are you to determine that his calldowns were bad when you havent even seen the hand or seen any part of the session? when you have absolutely no info on anything, you're forced to take the poster's, in this case Saki's, word for it.. but instead you point a finger saying no-no saki, dont celebrate yet cause your calldowns were probably not as good as you think they were. seriously who the fuck are you to determine that, lol

Your constantly posting in your blog about running good and bad and when you're whining and running bad I see a number of hands that you post that I don't think are really any good at all. Then when you're running good, I see the same thing, you just happen to be winning at the time.

Again this is hardly unique for Saki's blog. Infact I'll go so far as to say this is what 80% of LP's blogs consist of. Running good/running bad. Maybe you should start policing the blog section whenever you see this? You'll have a very busy life. As for his hands being "not really any good at all", I will leave that down to your opinion which you're entitled to. I don't agree, but that's neither here nor there

You just have to be honest with yourself and realistic. It's easy to justify everything by looking at it in a way that makes you feel better, that justifies your actions in a light that makes you see them how you want to. That doesn't make you good and that doesn't make it right.

imo Saki has posted many honest things on LP, both in posts and his blog. I think this comment is unnecessary, but again, we probably don't relate to other people the same way.


I cbf quoting anymore, and your second post after the long one is a little nicer/better. but please, be a little reasonable, reread your post after a while and understand that it's not completely unreasonable to be a little offended if you're in Saki's shoes. nothing in particular that you say is ultra offensive, but it's rather your whole tone. if you don't understand that and still think I'm being completely unreasonable then I guess we just shouldn't keep discussing and just agree to disagree or something

but whatever, since you asked me to comment on what you actually said, I will.

Thank you, I appreciate it.

So how exactly should one go about determining what is a good play and what isn't? And who are you to determine that his calldowns were bad when you havent even seen the hand or seen any part of the session? when you have absolutely no info on anything, you're forced to take the poster's, in this case Saki's, word for it.. but instead you point a finger saying no-no saki, dont celebrate yet cause your calldowns were probably not as good as you think they were. seriously who the fuck are you to determine that, lol

I never tried to say whether or not they were good or bad but simply that it's difficult to determine how good or bad they are because very few things are ever black and white in poker and that treating them as such is a poor way of thinking. I'm saying a lot of his plays may only be good or bad in a vacuum and treating them any differently isn't a correct way of viewing it. Just because a hand LOOKS good on the surface doesn't necessarily make it so. And again, I'm not determining anything, I'm not saying how good or bad anything is, I'm not quantifying anything. I'm saying things may not appear as they seem and that you should be more critical of the things you do instead of trying to see them in black and white, good or bad, right or wrong, but merely on the merit of the reasoning behind them.

Again this is hardly unique for Saki's blog. Infact I'll go so far as to say this is what 80% of LP's blogs consist of. Running good/running bad. Maybe you should start policing the blog section whenever you see this? You'll have a very busy life. As for his hands being "not really any good at all", I will leave that down to your opinion which you're entitled to. I don't agree, but that's neither here nor there

I don't care if it's unique of Saki's blog. The reason I took the time to say anything to saki to begin with is because I think he shows a lot of promise and I don't want to see him being held down by what I think is a poor outlook. Why would I waste my time commenting on a player who I thought was nothing? What reason would I have to do that? Just because? Or am I doing it because I want to see him move forward and not be held down by something as silly as what I think is a poor mindset and way of looking at things.

And I didn't say that his hands were "not really good at all". I said some of them were and that chalking those instances up to simply running bad shows a lack of perspective. Just because some hands are bad and some things are done poorly doesn't mean everything he does is bad. You need to be honest with yourself and realistic and try to view each instance as best as you can despite just how things turned out that time. Viewing things in a vacuum is a wrong way of going about it and that's what I'm saying.

Again, I never said he was bad. The fact I took the time to say anything at all makes it pretty clear that I think the exact opposite.

imo Saki has posted many honest things on LP, both in posts and his blog. I think this comment is unnecessary, but again, we probably don't relate to other people the same way.

I agree, he has said many honest things. He has done a lot of good for LP and there are a lot of really good things about him and him as a player. I never said otherwise. I'm saying some things need improvement and I said what they were and why I thought that was the case. What I said there was just showing what I thought he was doing when things weren't going his way and how that was bad. I can see how the last sentence could be misconstrued as being malicious and I could have used a better what of saying it but what I meant was "just because you're able to reason your way through something doesn't necessarily make what you did right or the best way of doing things and you should attempt to look at things as a whole rather than trying to come up for reasons for why they aren't all that bad. Being wrong or admitting fault isn't a bad thing and until you're able to see that I don't think you're going to reach your full potential". Or something to that effect.

And no, we probably don't realte to other people the same way. I don't care how what I say makes them feel but that I say what I think is the truth and that I make an effort to explain why I think that way. If there feelings get hurt by it, that's fine. And if they are going to think I'm a terrible human being for having said those things, that's fine too. At the very least I was honest and said what I thought needed to be said and if they don't like that, that's fine too. I'm not going to see eye to eye with everybody but at the very least I'm going to be honest and truthful about what I think. Some people are going to see my point and agree with me, and some aren't. It's how things are going to be.

I cbf quoting anymore, and your second post after the long one is a little nicer/better. but please, be a little reasonable, reread your post after a while and understand that it's not completely unreasonable to be a little offended if you're in Saki's shoes. nothing in particular that you say is ultra offensive, but it's rather your whole tone. if you don't understand that and still think I'm being completely unreasonable then I guess we just shouldn't keep discussing and just agree to disagree or something

I do see how he can be offended by what I said. I'm being very critical of him and that's not always easy to take. I don't think it's unreasonable that he was offended, I think it's unreasonable that he responded in a fashion that made it seem as if what I said had no merit and no place at all to be said and that I was just being malicious and mean when I really don't think that what I was being at all. I think I was just being honest and saying what I thought and why I thought it. I don't appreciate being laughed at or belittled just because I'm disagreed with. I showed respect by trying to be very clear in what I thought, and in some instances I failed, but for the most part I think I got my point across. I want the same respect in return and I think trying to put words in my mouth and treat me as if I'm just being malicious is stepping over a line. The fact I took the time at all goes a long way to show that I'm not just going out of my way to be mean and that I actually have good intent in what I'm saying and doing. It's not like I always go this far out of my way to make a point.



I know this was really long and if you actually read it I appreciate it. If you still don't agree with me and if we still don't see eye to eye I suppose we never will. But I think this last exchange went a lot further into both of us understanding where the other was coming from.

Sorry if I stirred up anything. I was just trying to help.

Allright I think I understand. I guess in a world that relies only on written words there will always be misunderstandings. I really felt like you were almost randomly abusing him for whatever reasons you could think of at the time. I will chalk this up to differences in communicating, I think I see your point now

I guess the problem I had was the "tough love" you were giving him, if it was infact so. I'm not a big fan of that way of teaching myself.. off the top of my head I can think of a few run-ins I've had with authoritative type of people who have tried to approach me that way in my life. but that's just me, I'm absolutely old enough to know that it's a valid way for people to learn and improve. whether it's Saki's preferred choice of learning I don't know seeing as how I don't know him at all. it seems it's not though judging by his response

anyway it's cool, and I guess you make a few good points as well. Our (yours and mine) big difference is how we communicate with people, but I'm totally ok with it now that you explained your intentions are good, let's just leave it be and move on, cheers

On March 08 2008 09:14 SakiSaki wrote: and these swings caused tilt which caused me to lose more.

HU in a nutshell