NL200 Live Quick Opinion 600bb pot - Page 2

On December 31 2012 22:55 YoMeR wrote: I would c bet flop vs this player but for all the different reasons you're thinking...I would cbet here merely for value and then try to get to showdown. Would probalby continue barreling off if i pick up a draw on the turn or hit a J/A probably be very wary of his counter aggression...generally players like this won't just spazz out and put in his stack w J5 here...If i wasn't comfortable playing this for stacks on turn why not just go for 2 streets of value now and check turn and have him hero call river.? But generally turn is a pretty standard bet but bear in mind that we don't really have that many rivers to be scared of or that would keep us from value betting if we check the turn too. And additionally if we check the turn we will more than likely see his hand more often which can be very beneficial to our future game plan vs him as this will be a spot that comes up very often and we can really turn on the rape

That's pretty good, I like the explanation of the turn check.

I was planning on just betting 3 streets and him crying calling with a pair on river, but I can see why slowing down might be better if I'm not willing to play for stacks here.

Results, if you're curious:

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On January 01 2013 13:38 Endo wrote: Results, if you're curious: + Show Spoiler + I folded after thinking for a while. I really felt like I was ahead but folded bc there were better spots for me especially without a rebuy option. He showed K9hh. Didn't expect him to have complete air

This is why I dont like cbetting flop, b/c it gives us a chance to get to the river more cheaply. Obv Yomer's line has merit, but I think requires more skill to execute. Since I'm playing NL200 like NL2 I figure it's the safer, easier option. When they're a mega station/maniac , just play exploitably and check it back.

On January 01 2013 23:40 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2013 13:38 Endo wrote: Results, if you're curious: + Show Spoiler + I folded after thinking for a while. I really felt like I was ahead but folded bc there were better spots for me especially without a rebuy option. He showed K9hh. Didn't expect him to have complete air This is why I dont like cbetting flop, b/c it gives us a chance to get to the river more cheaply. Obv Yomer's line has merit, but I think requires more skill to execute. Since I'm playing NL200 like NL2 I figure it's the safer, easier option. When they're a mega station/maniac , just play exploitably and check it back.

Vs these types of players your decision should be on the turn. Don't mind bet/folding the turn, but hate calling in hopes that he doesn't barrel through. As played, i snap call river. Checking behind turn is ok if you haven't done it before, but it's kind of a bad habit to get into, and you will be losing lots of value in the long run. Betting flop should be standard for thin value / to help define opponents hand, absolutely hate checking vs these tards, if you keep barreling him in these spots eventually he's going to hang himself.

Just keep these things in mind: if he's actually a good aggro player, because he showed you this bluff, he is less likely to pull this crap again on you or anyone else at the table who saw. So your adjustment can't really be to just start calling him down lighter, that's what he is hoping for. Don't adjust to be a passive bitch either or start pot controlling everything, just keep betting these spots and daring him to do it again.

So when you hope to define his hand with a cbet, it isnt meant to work in situations where he's on a stone cold bluff like this time right? It was simply unfortunate that hero got blindsighted with top pair. Be that as it may, you said it's good to keep barreling so he'll hang himself, but at the same time we shouldnt expect him to run big bluffs after this again? See thats where I get confused, determining when I have a bluff catcher when villain should be avoiding any big bluffs for quite some time.

Cosmo is spot on...bet folding on turn/rivers in live games is srsly the nuts in most spots. you just don't get exploited often enough

yomer on this fish's computer btw

I'm pretty sure I still like betting flop in position with a hand like AJ, maybe checking if I hold KJs. (i'm folding if he checkraises, which I haven't seen him done yet)

I think our hand is fairly disguised on turn, since it's an excellent bluff card to double barrel on and there's too many draws to fold to.

But it's interesting to think that river should be an automatic call if I call turn, even when that 9 hits a lot of draws...

wow he played it so incredibly bad....

its a very standard check back on the turn here btw.

On February 01 2013 05:27 casinocasino wrote: wow he played it so incredibly bad.... its a very standard check back on the turn here btw.

First time I saw him go completely nuts with air, so I definitely wasn't expecting that to be part of his range.

It's ok- I ended up a 4 figure winner anyways =P

also just a thought...won't NL200 live hands be in the low stakes section? it's like playing .01/.02 online