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Handnr: 480250
Submitted by : Day[9]

PokerStars Game #18676464868: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/07/08 - 16:00:57 (ET)
Table 'Sponde V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Kodiak1985 ($34.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Fishplay2008 ($36.60 in chips)
Seat 3: Omni117 ($28.20 in chips)
Seat 5: ZngeLDay[9] ($43.60 in chips)
Kodiak1985: posts small blind $0.10
Fishplay2008: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to ZngeLDay[9] QcQh
Omni117: folds
ZngeLDay[9] : raises $0.75 to $1
Kodiak1985: raises $1.25 to $2.25
Fishplay2008: folds
ZngeLDay[9] : calls $1.25

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $4.75)

   5s4d5h
Kodiak1985: bets $2.50
ZngeLDay[9] : raises $5.50 to $8
Kodiak1985: raises $23.85 to $31.85 and is all-in
ZngeLDay[9] : calls $23.85

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $68.45)

   5s4d5hTs

River (Pot : $68.45)

   5s4d5hTs7d

Showdown
Kodiak1985: shows AhAc (two pair, Aces and Fives)
ZngeLDay[9] : mucks hand
Kodiak1985 collected $66.45 from pot

Summary
Total pot $68.45 | Rake $2
Board  5s4d5hTs7d
Seat 1: Kodiak1985 (small blind) showed AhAc and won ($66.45) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 2: Fishplay2008 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Omni117 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ZngeLDay[9] (button) mucked QcQh

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Day[9]   United States. Jul 08 2008 14:03. Posts 3447

should i be folding here?

i'm totally serious

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killThemDonks   Canada. Jul 08 2008 14:07. Posts 2681

3bets pf on micostakes usually mean QQ+, AK o+.
id fold the flop after he went all in....others may say to "get it all in"


traxamillion   United States. Jul 08 2008 14:09. Posts 10468

vs some 25nl players ur def not ahead here enough.


Repusz   Hungary. Jul 08 2008 14:09. Posts 1033

lol, it's strange to give a better player advice, but imho if you flat the 3bet pre then you have to call the flop shove...or if he is very nitty, you can flat flop, his half pot bet is either something that he percieves as a monster trying to keep you in the pot (which you could still crush with QQ since the guy is a NL25 donk...) or it is a donkbet with missed overs that he may try to bluff you out with. If you are in doubt you could keep the pot low from position and take note? at least the way I see it. Given it is 4 handed, I don't think I would fold though, and prolly 4bet pre


DaTruf   United States. Jul 08 2008 14:11. Posts 398

at these stakes probably so (yes, you should fold), but since he 3bet you so small (minb basically), i think you can 4bet him small (like 3x) and fold to any 5bet. If he's a loose/passive player i would definately fold flop though (after 3 bet) because these kinds of players at these stakes are gonna be flatting JJ and lower alot. the only other type hands that min 3bet pf like that (that ive taken notice of) at these stakes are Ax hands, which i think you can eliminate from his range based on the flop action. If villain is nitty, then it's a fold too for obv reasons. I think the only way i get it in is if i've seen villain get way out of line (i know it seems retarded to be folding the top % of ur range here, but at these stakes you kind of have to because nobody pays attention to gameflow or developes any kind of reads)

 Last edit: 08/07/2008 14:12

NerO   United States. Jul 08 2008 14:13. Posts 2402

at these stakes 100% fold


Yugless    United States. Jul 08 2008 14:14. Posts 7174

so many awful blanket statements, play the players. aren't there players who you would fold QQ to here in mid stakes? for some of your other hands, aren't there fish who don't fold to semi-bluffs at mid stakes?

Baal - look is talking hah.  

Repusz   Hungary. Jul 08 2008 14:19. Posts 1033


  On July 08 2008 13:14 Yugless wrote:
so many awful blanket statements, play the players. aren't there players who you would fold QQ to here in mid stakes? for some of your other hands, aren't there fish who don't fold to semi-bluffs at mid stakes?



I assume he can outplay NL25 players if he has stats/reads/history to'play the players'. He wrote in his blog IIRC that he wishes to see how the games have chaged since he climbed up the ranks, so 'blanket statements' from players that have played these stakes more recently thatn him may be actually a lot more useful than stating the obvious


Yugless    United States. Jul 08 2008 14:27. Posts 7174

any advice based solely on the stakes being played is worthless advice

Baal - look is talking hah.  

Repusz   Hungary. Jul 08 2008 14:37. Posts 1033


  On July 08 2008 13:27 Yugless wrote:
any advice based solely on the stakes being played is worthless advice



that could be true; i think 'reworking your fundamentals' is pretty damned hard because of this. When you first grind it through, you learn step by step, things build one upon the other, but dropping from NL600 to 25 and trying to rework your game when you already have a finesse at your disposal from stakes beyond could even be harmful imho...you only really improve your mentality, patience, and stamina but not really your game imho.

 Last edit: 08/07/2008 14:38

CrownRoyal   United States. Jul 09 2008 13:07. Posts 11385


  On July 08 2008 13:27 Yugless wrote:
any advice based solely on the stakes being played is worthless advice


i love this

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CrownRoyal   United States. Jul 09 2008 13:07. Posts 11385

yugless you ready to go out on our date to the sizzler yet?

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The72o   Zimbabwe. Jul 10 2008 07:47. Posts 6112


  On July 08 2008 13:27 Yugless wrote:
any advice based solely on the stakes being played is worthless advice

A Hard Way to Make an Easy Living 

 

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