even if we put all the small pocket pairs and a few worse draws in Linus range, doesn't the turn c/call seem to be losing money oop? doesn't seem to have a ton of implied odds on the good rivers
what am I missing here?

c/f is awful with 89dd; that is a fat chunk of equity

On October 01 2018 11:41 lebowski wrote: even if we put all the small pocket pairs and a few worse draws in Linus range, doesn't the turn c/call seem to be losing money oop? doesn't seem to have a ton of implied odds on the good rivers what am I missing here?

your missing basic math/range reading. I don't think i'd ever even put 66 in someones range here because it's such an insanely slim part of someones range, it wouldn't really enter my consciousness.

the math part: he is calling with a lot of equity and can win a lot by donk leading river big when he hits.

On October 03 2018 07:50 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2018 11:41 lebowski wrote: even if we put all the small pocket pairs and a few worse draws in Linus range, doesn't the turn c/call seem to be losing money oop? doesn't seem to have a ton of implied odds on the good rivers what am I missing here? your missing basic math/range reading. I don't think i'd ever even put 66 in someones range here because it's such an insanely slim part of someones range, it wouldn't really enter my consciousness. the math part: he is calling with a lot of equity and can win a lot by donk leading river big when he hits.

I wouldn't put small pocket pairs in range here either. I was thinking that even if he had all of them + some worst f draws 89dd still isn't in a great shape vs Linus range on the turn (one pair outs would be questionable, some reverse implied odds + not guaranteed implied odds when we hit flush).

You're saying he has more than enough implied odds and he's getting paid when he hits river and donks
That's probably true and I'm thinking of the nittier low stakes where I'd expect regs to overfold vs that line on flush cards. But maybe that assumption too isn't justified.

On October 03 2018 00:55 traxamillion wrote: c/f is awful with 89dd; that is a fat chunk of equity

I know it's too huge a chunk of equity to c/fold that's why I'd probably choose to raise at some point in the hand instead of calling (one of the reasons I'm a poker pleb I guess) If I didn't think c/c c/c donk river on flushes looked strong I'd prefer it over raising flop or turn though

On October 03 2018 07:50 Stroggoz wrote: the math part: he is calling with a lot of equity and can win a lot by donk leading river big when he hits.

btw that math didn't check out in this hand
judging from this HH moglimiranda isn't calling turn to donk this kind of river so I'm guessing he expects Linus to be shoving such rivers frequently (which would make turn call great), not sure this applies to nitstakes though