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Handnr: 1047356
Submitted by : DragOn_

PokerStars Zoom Hand #127083553104: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2014/12/18 13:17:30 MT [2014/12/18 15:17:30 ET]
Table Arp 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Y.Shpak ($50 in chips)
Seat 2: DIMAN_324 ($50.75 in chips)
Seat 3: REAL PECHKIN ($146.86 in chips)
Seat 4: Transerfer29 ($94.46 in chips)
Seat 5: bySelect ($119.27 in chips)
Seat 6: EndlessLuv21 ($17.52 in chips)
Seat 7: pecha-77 ($81.17 in chips)
Seat 8: konpe ($38.12 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($69.58 in chips)
DIMAN_324: posts small blind $0.25
REAL PECHKIN: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero 9dAd
Transerfer29: folds
bySelect: folds
EndlessLuv21: folds
pecha-77: folds
konpe: folds
Hero: raises $1 to $1.50
Y.Shpak: folds
DIMAN_324: raises $3.50 to $5
REAL PECHKIN: folds
Hero: calls $3.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $10.50)

   Jh5d8d
DIMAN_324: bets $5.25
Hero: raises $5.25 to $10.50
DIMAN_324: calls $5.25

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $31.50)

   Jh5d8dTc
DIMAN_324: checks
Hero: bets $13
DIMAN_324: raises $22.25 to $35.25 and is all-in
Hero: calls $22.25

River (Pot : $102.00)

   Jh5d8dTc4h

Showdown
DIMAN_324: shows AsAh (a pair of Aces)
Hero: shows 9dAd (high card Ace)
DIMAN_324 collected $99.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $102 | Rake $2.50
Board  Jh5d8dTc4h
Seat 1: Y.Shpak (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: DIMAN_324 (small blind) showed AsAh and won ($99.50) with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: REAL PECHKIN (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Transerfer29 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: bySelect folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: EndlessLuv21 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: pecha-77 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: konpe folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: Hero showed 9dAd and lost with high card Ace

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r0mx0   Slovakia. Dec 18 2014 15:41. Posts 1580

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You gotta plow through that shit !  

DragOn_   Canada. Dec 18 2014 16:16. Posts 214

im pretty sure I shouldve shoved the turn instead of doing that retarded small bet. But what if villian shoves over my reraise on the flop? Maybe call flop, shove turn? Then im getting it in with only 30% equity..

 Last edit: 18/12/2014 16:21

lhr0909   China. Dec 18 2014 17:15. Posts 423

you are already given a "free" card from your flop raise, why not take advantage of that and check back turn? you have position man.

no pain no gainLast edit: 18/12/2014 17:16

Nitewin   United States. Dec 18 2014 22:07. Posts 1539

I like jam or check turn. Flop if he raised you gotta call it off. It depends what your ranges are I guess.


DragOn_   Canada. Dec 19 2014 02:08. Posts 214

checking gives me a free card but it also gets rid of any fold equity I may have had, which means that I have to play the hand face up and shove or fold the river, which also means that if he sees that id obviously hit something (like the flush) he could actually fold when I hit too. Im not really sure what the best way to play draws is in 3bet pots or general, but I know that fold equity is important. But is it worth getting it in before hitting on the turn? I dont know, is there a definitive answer to that question or is it situational?

If I assume has a turn range of TT+, AJ I have 35% equity when I shove. If I also assume that the weakest parts of his range manage to find folds if I shove and he folds AJ and QQ, thats 52% of his range that continues.

When I shove the turn, I win roughly 30% of his stack 50% of the time, so I win 15bb avg. If he calls, I win his stack 35% and he wins mine 65% so I lose 30% of a stack on avg, 30bb. The net result is I lose 15bb each time I make that play.

If I check back the turn, I assume I dont bluff missed rivers which would defeat the purpose of checking back, and that he calls with the same range that wouldve called the turn shove. That means 65% of the time I lose 30bb when I dont hit and check/fold, which is avg 20bb lost. Then 35% of the time when I do it I win 100bb half of the time, and 30bb half the time, so avg 65bb won when I hit, x35% = 23bb. The net result is I win 3bb each time I make that play.

Obviously my assumptions could be off, but I think ive found that checking back and playing the draw more face up is the superior play. I might also be able to apply this in a general sense to the way I play draws in other situations too.


Gnarly   United States. Dec 19 2014 06:21. Posts 1723

i would either call/jam the flop and call/fold the turn
let him give you the price to call and you are also controlling the pot
if you call on the flop, you could also jam the turn before he does if the size of what he would need to call is big enough not to be an auto call for him

you are only considering having 11 outs here, right?

Diversify or fossilize! 

Mardagg   Germany. Dec 19 2014 07:48. Posts 843

as played,turn is either a jam or a check,your bet size there is really bad with a hand you want a fold from villain.

I prefer calling flop and then either calling turn or raising turn big.But this depends on villain.
Iirc Diman is someone that isnt able to fold anything in 3bet pots,so vs this guy the simple call call line is probably best.


 

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