Why should you always shove with KK or QQ?

the other day i was playing FR and someone called my shove with 33. Does that answer your question?

100bb deep? Or shortstacked?

player dependent but at the micro's where there's no light 3bet/4bets going on, then it's fine to play AK/QQ more slowly and not get it in PF. Obviously adjust for people who are idiots and willing to get it in pre with worse, but playing QQ/AK more nitty PF is fine. Folding QQ/AK to a 3bet vs someone who has shown 0 willingness to throw money around is fine since at micro's people tend to either be total idiots who throw money around in all situtations, or they're stations who call all the time and only start throwing big money around PF with AA/KK

I create such sick dynamics between myself and other players that shoving 22+ is profitable LOL

Hahahahaha Apollo. I know a guy like you, who just confuses the heck out of his opponents. 2x pot on flop, minbet on turn, shove on river. People tend to call him down after that with bottom pair.

k2o4, thanks for the input. The only times I've seen my KK go to showdown with a QQ is when they CALLED (not shoved) preflop and we both were holding overpairs.

Lol ok ..all these different questions about poker pop up because no ones experience is exactly the same ..duh. Not everyone will win ..people have to lose or people to win ..so not everyone can be baller can they? No matter how much you work on your game ..you will always be subject to the luck part of it. Tom dwan for example ..is he really that much more of a genius than everyone to have your bankroll beat by 100,000 to 1? As for people like elky ..he's not a mad crazy genius sick poker player ..he's a monstrosity of luck. I've played elky plenty of times back in the day at 5/10 nl ..and trust me when I say ..he makes extremely horrible decisions. For example ..he called my 3 bet shove on the flop A J 2 rainbow ..with 99 against my AJ ..and caught a 9 on the river ..

On January 05 2010 13:04 Squishedpoo wrote: Lol ok ..all these different questions about poker pop up because no ones experience is exactly the same ..duh. Not everyone will win ..people have to lose or people to win ..so not everyone can be ballet can they? No matter how much you work on your game ..you will always be subject to the luck part of it. Tom dwan for example ..is he really that much more of a genius than everyone to have your bankroll beat by 100,000 to 1?

Yes, because you will find the same people come out winners over and over again. Short-term losses may mean variance but consistent results stem from skill.

Lol ok so why aren't all the "good players" billionaires by now? They should go higher and higher theoretically right? So why do they play the same stakes? Or even lower? I can name names too..

Squishedpoo you should start a thread IMO.

On January 05 2010 13:11 Squishedpoo wrote: Lol ok so why aren't all the "good players" billionaires by now? They should go higher and higher theoretically right? So why do they play the same stakes? Or even lower? I can name names too..

1 because no one is a billionaire off poker
2 Growth takes A LONG TIME, and poker/life isn't some standard RPG where there is an allotted experience you need to move up
3 most people have a cap to how far up the can go in the limits.

Yet again, case in point:

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/785922

that would be a 5bet all in lols :O

Player dependent... why stack off with KK when the player is only 3/4betting with AA. Whereas some opponents will be getting it in with JJ+ or maybe worse and they'll be 3/4Bet bluffing a ton, so it's mandatory to stack off with that strong of a range. The way a table is playing can change things as well. Just depends on numerous variables like everything in poker :/

On January 05 2010 12:32 MadJukes wrote: I'm playing pretty standard where I 5x bb PFR QQ/KK

You may want to revisit "pretty standard"

fold pf then

On January 05 2010 14:29 Sicks Macks wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2010 12:32 MadJukes wrote: I'm playing pretty standard where I 5x bb PFR QQ/KK You may want to revisit "pretty standard"

at NL2-NL5? =P

hey man 5x preflop raise is pretty big, ur not gonna b called by worse

I've had pretty similar experiences at NL2-5, AA/KK/QQ is the large majority of most player's all-in preflop range. But there are players that get it in with worse, sometimes much worse. You just have to use your stats to figure out who you want to gamble against. I think basically nobody 4bet bluffs at these stakes, so if they 4bet they think they have a strong hand. It's just that some people's perception of what is strong is much wider than others. There are people that 3bet light at NL5 though, I've had people at my tables sitting with 10-25% 3bet over a decent amount of hands, and I'm trying to be one of those people. I'm at 8.5% 3bet at NL5 so far compared to 4.8% at NL2.

Personally, I've found the loose/passive fish, and the people who 3bet a lot both tend to get it in light sometimes. Of course they can always pick up a hand too. And the people with "reg stats" and the super nits I avoid getting it in preflop unless I have KK/AA. You can set mine QQ against the nits.

lol...setmining with QQ