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PokerStars Game #37186385864: Holdem No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2009/12/25 18:30:29 CT [2009/12/25 19:30:29 ET]
Table Herge V 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: bailarin245 ($2.12 in chips)
Seat 2: macteri ($4.88 in chips)
Seat 3: AmiWinehouse ($3.67 in chips)
Seat 4: II VII o ($1.97 in chips)
Seat 5: vince37_m ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($2 in chips)
Seat 7: lepegoalPVC ($0.92 in chips)
Seat 8: 7NIKITA7 ($0.45 in chips)
Seat 9: xlfixer ($1.68 in chips)
7NIKITA7: posts small blind $0.01
xlfixer: posts big blind $0.02

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
bailarin245: folds
macteri: folds
AmiWinehouse: folds
II VII o: folds
vince37_m: calls $0.02
Hero is connected
Hero: calls $0.02
lepegoalPVC: calls $0.02
7NIKITA7: calls $0.01
xlfixer: checks

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.10)

   
7NIKITA7: bets $0.02
xlfixer: folds
vince37_m: raises $0.04 to $0.06
Hero: calls $0.06
lepegoalPVC: calls $0.06
7NIKITA7: calls $0.04

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $0.34)

   
7NIKITA7: checks
vince37_m: bets $0.22
Hero: calls $0.22
lepegoalPVC: folds
7NIKITA7: raises $0.15 to $0.37 and is all-in
vince37_m: calls $0.15
Hero: calls $0.15

River (Pot : $1.45)

   
vince37_m: bets $0.48
Hero: raises $1.07 to $1.55 and is all-in
vince37_m: calls $1.07

Showdown
Hero: shows (a full house, Fives full of Eights)
vince37_m: shows (a flush, Queen high)
Hero collected $2.95 from side pot
7NIKITA7: shows (two pair, Tens and Eights)
Hero collected $1.40 from main pot

Summary
Total pot $4.55 Main pot $1.40. Side pot $2.95. | Rake $0.20
Board  
Seat 1: bailarin245 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: macteri folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: AmiWinehouse folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: II VII o folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: vince37_m showed and lost with a flush, Queen high
Seat 6: Hero showed and won ($4.35) with a full house, Fives full of Eights
Seat 7: lepegoalPVC (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: 7NIKITA7 (small blind) showed and lost with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 9: xlfixer (big blind) folded on the Flop

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On December 25 2009 19:23 MadJukes wrote: At the flop, some people advocate raising to kick out the draws or at least make them pay to see it. No.

LOL if it was heads up, this wouldn't be terrible but with 4 people in the pot this is an absolute atrocity, especially considering how the flop was played by everyone.

wow 72 bux up off NL2? how many tables do you play and for how long?

I can't believe u have a positive redline at nl2

On December 25 2009 20:51 Zep wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2009 19:23 MadJukes wrote: At the flop, some people advocate raising to kick out the draws or at least make them pay to see it. No. LOL if it was heads up, this wouldn't be terrible but with 4 people in the pot this is an absolute atrocity, especially considering how the flop was played by everyone.

Haha I wasn't being serious when I said that. I figured I'd let the pot build up a bit instead of taking down such a small pot with a set. If I had raised, he would have called (obviously at NL2) to hit the flush and I would have been forced to fold a set since he would have fired a much bigger bet into a bigger pot. The way I played it, since I only called, if he hit a flush, the amount he'd bet would be much smaller, as relative to the pot size. I'd have massive implied odds if I hit a boat.

On December 25 2009 21:00 moonk379 wrote: wow 72 bux up off NL2? how many tables do you play and for how long?

Hmmm...day 5-6? I started off multitabling 8 FR, but now I do around 16-18.

On December 25 2009 21:12 GoTuNk wrote: I can't believe u have a positive redline at nl2

lol. Is it that strange?

On December 25 2009 21:54 MadJukes wrote: Haha I wasn't being serious when I said that. I figured I'd let the pot build up a bit instead of taking down such a small pot with a set. If I had raised, he would have called (obviously at NL2) to hit the flush and I would have been forced to fold a set since he would have fired a much bigger bet into a bigger pot. The way I played it, since I only called, if he hit a flush, the amount he'd bet would be much smaller, as relative to the pot size. I'd have massive implied odds if I hit a boat.

hope youre joking in this post too =p

boat diggin' psh i fucking quad mine bitch

lol Jimmy, lol

how the hell do you make people fold at nl2?

threaten to eat their babies in chat?

lol jimmy this is so retarded

On December 25 2009 23:35 joLin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2009 21:54 MadJukes wrote: Haha I wasn't being serious when I said that. I figured I'd let the pot build up a bit instead of taking down such a small pot with a set. If I had raised, he would have called (obviously at NL2) to hit the flush and I would have been forced to fold a set since he would have fired a much bigger bet into a bigger pot. The way I played it, since I only called, if he hit a flush, the amount he'd bet would be much smaller, as relative to the pot size. I'd have massive implied odds if I hit a boat. hope youre joking in this post too =p

He's not, that's the sad thing. God i miss being this horrible.

On December 26 2009 20:29 Zep wrote: Show nested quote + On December 25 2009 23:35 joLin wrote:   On December 25 2009 21:54 MadJukes wrote: Haha I wasn't being serious when I said that. I figured I'd let the pot build up a bit instead of taking down such a small pot with a set. If I had raised, he would have called (obviously at NL2) to hit the flush and I would have been forced to fold a set since he would have fired a much bigger bet into a bigger pot. The way I played it, since I only called, if he hit a flush, the amount he'd bet would be much smaller, as relative to the pot size. I'd have massive implied odds if I hit a boat. hope youre joking in this post too =p He's not, that's the sad thing. God i miss being this horrible.

lol. Ouch. That hurts.

But if you think about it, it's true. Knowing the field I'm playing against, nobody folds a draw. If I bet/raise it up and they end up hitting it and I know they hit it, why would I call a bet? By then, the pot size would have been extremely large and it would be largely a waste to call a 3/4 to pot sized bet.

On the other hand, if he bets, I call, and maintain a small pot size, I still take it down if the flush draw doesnt hit, or I'd be able to continue with massive implied odds if the flush draw does hit. My plan was to raise the turn if there was no 3rd club.

I also understand the standard way of playing it is to raise the flop and drag the pot down there or let him continue calling with bad odds. Anyways, I'm just experimenting with different ways of playing certain hands certain ways. I'd love anyone to correct me and give me their view on why I'm wrong/they're right/why a certain play is better. And obviously I wouldn't be playing it like this if there was a preflop raise.

your equity vs a flush draw on the flop is 75%. since youre so far ahead of this hand, and you know they never fold a flush draw, make sure they put a lot of money in now while theyre still chasing it. get money in when youre ahead.

the flush draw is going to miss more than 80% of the time on the turn. with a big pot size on the turn, you can again charge them a large amount to continue chasing.

the flush wont get there by the river the majority of the time. if you dont put money in on the flop and turn when theyre still chasing, you wont get any value out of it bcuz flush draws wont call river bets when they miss.

youre AHEAD on the flop and turn if the flush isnt there. if the flush hits on the turn and youre chasing a boat, youre putting money in when youre behind bcuz you have about 22% equity with a set vs a flush on the turn.

hope that helps you see the flaw in your logic.