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Bejamin1 Canada. Aug 06 2014 21:27. Posts 7042 | | |
Just over two months ago now I made the decision to start putting some serious time into poker. I decided I no longer wanted to use my free time spent at home on a less productive hobby. I play for fun and for the excitement of piecing together the puzzle of how to become a consistent winner in today's poker climate. One really interesting and yet disturbing trend in my game that I've noticed over the past two months is very poor results in 3-bet pots. Here are some graphs, I'd love to discuss with whoever is in the mood about how to rectify what I think is a fairly significant leak in the way I play the game. Although to be honest I've already taken some steps and done some tinkering with how I handle these situations.
Plausible Explanations:
1. Calling too wide vs. Strong PF 3-bet Ranges. Even weaker players aren't especially 3-betting trashy hands.
2. Calling without positional advantage on a regular basis.
3. Not stacking off enough on flops where I have better equity than I realize.
4. Stacking off too much on the wrong type of boards for my AAxx hands.
5. Taking poor post-flop lines in general
Here Are Some Stats & The Graph - The majority of All-In's are happening on the flop, so EV is decently accurate I suppose. One potential issue of course is we don't have any calculator for determining how lucky or unlucky we're getting in terms of just what we flop vs. what villains flop. So luck becomes impossible to estimate in some ways. When we are getting all in though, it's not going so well.
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Highcard Canada. Aug 06 2014 23:47. Posts 5428 | | |
I don't know much about PLO or PLO stats, but being that it is micro monster rake. All I can say is play extremely tight, play 50bb, and stack off more vs anyone other none super nit. analyze every allin hand and check your equities throughout.
Most important, play less than 4 tables and track every single SD for the players range strategy. |
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Highcard Canada. Aug 06 2014 23:50. Posts 5428 | | |
If you see some fish calling 3bets and stacking flops with weak pairs or even floating with ridiculous PP hands, then you can expand your already unpolar range. As well, in regular pots you can barrel more and not get pushed off your equity vs the floaty/weak fish ranges |
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I don't know shit about plo, but why would you want to sit 50 deep if you're playing uber tight and only taking advantage of the droolers? Makes no sense. Get deep as fuck imo? |
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ToT)MidiaN(  United Kingdom. Aug 07 2014 10:00. Posts 5070 | | |
-1.7bb/hand is still better than open raising and folding to a 3bet even you just open for a minraise as you'd be losing 2bb/hand in that case, up to -3.5bb/hand if you raise first in for pot and fold to a 3bet. I'm not saying that you can't be doing better than -1.7bb/hand but I think it's easy to see that you're not doing well in these spots and then start folding to 3bets too often, which is potentially worse.
It would be helpful for you to go over the post-flop spots with someone who plays at a similar level, maybe post on some more active poker discussion forums or run hands through various programs like CREV or Flopzilla or whatever |
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Never fold to 3bet; if you open or coldcall you are calling any 3bet. Folding is bad in this spot with 4 cards.
I have seen your 3bet size and it was basically a minraise. When you 3bet you should be making it closer to pot or pot i don't get why you think these min3bets are good or why you do it and i have asked you. |
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your WWSF is too low. This probably correlates to your plummeting red line. You may be giving up on the flop too much as you suggested. Or it could also be a more specific leak like calling 2 barrels but folding too often to the 3rd or something like that. I couldn't tell you just from this information. |
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Giving arbitrary advice for a game I don't play with stats that I know nothing about.
Sorry, just wanted to fit in.
(Midian's advice was actually really good) |
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Bejamin1 Canada. Aug 07 2014 18:04. Posts 7042 | | |
| | On August 07 2014 09:50 traxamillion wrote:
Never fold to 3bet; if you open or coldcall you are calling any 3bet. Folding is bad in this spot with 4 cards.
I have seen your 3bet size and it was basically a minraise. When you 3bet you should be making it closer to pot or pot i don't get why you think these min3bets are good or why you do it and i have asked you. |
Just FYI this group of stats is with the filter "called 3-bet" so it's all calls. None of this is me being the 3-bettor. Just in case that wasn't clear. |
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ohh ok then the redline and WWSF make more sense and is more normal. You generally have the weaker range when calling the 3 and lack the initiative. |
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