Biggest pot so far

PokerStars Game #40424923584: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/02/27 23:21:15 WET [2010/02/27 18:21:15 ET]
Table Guinevere V 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: stiltonblue ($134.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Dolleman12 ($124.80 in chips)
Seat 3: kezako2009 ($271.60 in chips)
Seat 4: DoC.LemOn ($286.50 in chips)
Seat 5: jamesy1963 ($47.90 in chips)
Seat 6: koomo ($75.35 in chips)
kezako2009: posts small blind $0.25
DoC.LemOn: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to DoC.LemOn
jamesy1963: calls $0.50
koomo: folds
stiltonblue: calls $0.50
Dolleman12: folds
kezako2009: calls $0.25
DoC.LemOn: raises $4.50 to $5
jamesy1963: calls $4.50
stiltonblue: calls $4.50
kezako2009: raises $266.60 to $271.60 and is all-in
DoC.LemOn: raises $14.90 to $286.50 and is all-in
jamesy1963: folds
stiltonblue: folds
Uncalled bet ($14.90) returned to DoC.LemOn

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $286.60)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $286.60)

   
Dolleman12 said, "jeeee"

River (Pot : $286.60)

   

Showdown
kezako2009: shows (two pair, Kings and Fours)
DoC.LemOn: shows (a pair of Fours)
kezako2009 collected $550.20 from pot

Summary
Total pot $553.20 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: stiltonblue folded before Flop
Seat 2: Dolleman12 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: kezako2009 (small blind) showed and won ($550.20) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 4: DoC.LemOn (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 5: jamesy1963 folded before Flop
Seat 6: koomo folded before Flop (didnt bet)

0 votes

omg !!

I don't get this? 540bb AQo? Even if he sucked really hard (which clearly he does) you're only 60/40 against the top 50% of hands? Fine if you know he has KQo

That EV difference a lot of that hand - 75:25ish - that's -$400EV???

On February 27 2010 17:34 4Kingell wrote: I don't get this? 540bb AQo? Even if he sucked really hard (which clearly he does) you're only 60/40 against the top 50% of hands? Fine if you know he has KQo

AQ dominates a good amount of his range

Like KQ, :o

Yes but 540bb fml....bigger balls than me.

+ He lost A 2BI pot the hand before, he was more likely be pushing with crap -.-

thats a really high variance call where u might have a slight advantage

not worth imo

guy does that with KQ then he is bad enough to make mistakes in spots where u will have a clearer edge...

I guess make the call if you can afford the rage.

On February 27 2010 18:08 CamilaPunt wrote: thats a really high variance call where u might have a slight advantage not worth imo guy does that with KQ then he is bad enough to make mistakes in spots where u will have a clearer edge...

What does that even mean, I am ahead of his range, the call is easily +ev

On February 27 2010 18:13 LikeASet wrote: I guess make the call if you can afford the rage.

Why would I feel rage?
I feel like preparing myself on how to exploit him well and not tilt


Fun session indeed, its been a long time since limping was the best play.

well duh, you a re being results oriented. U gut really lucky, then eaqually unlucky.

AQ is a total spew at that spot.

On February 27 2010 18:38 killaherni wrote: well duh, you a re being results oriented. U gut really lucky, then eaqually unlucky. AQ is a total spew at that spot.

What the hell are you talking about?

Please can you elaborate?

On February 27 2010 18:21 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2010 18:08 CamilaPunt wrote: thats a really high variance call where u might have a slight advantage not worth imo guy does that with KQ then he is bad enough to make mistakes in spots where u will have a clearer edge... What does that even mean, I am ahead of his range, the call is easily +ev

being +ev doesn't make it the right play

On February 27 2010 19:20 animaniacs wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2010 18:21 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 27 2010 18:08 CamilaPunt wrote: thats a really high variance call where u might have a slight advantage not worth imo guy does that with KQ then he is bad enough to make mistakes in spots where u will have a clearer edge... What does that even mean, I am ahead of his range, the call is easily +ev being +ev doesn't make it the right play

Ummm... If calling has higher expected value than folding then it kinda does no?

they're saying you can "wait for a better spot"
but i disagree because if u dont try and stack him asaply the other regs will get his money.
however i'd go on such tilt if i lost that hand words cannot describe

He was showing so many hands that that would be the case.

The whole concept of waiting for a better spot is complete bullshit.

If the 44% of the time I lose would make me tilt so much that it would erase the EV then it makes sense, but thats just not the case.

One thing has helped me a lot in this matter:
When I push or click all in, the hand is not over for me.

I actually plan my reaction to different cards, with the most important being if I lose I take a few deep breaths, I sit down and I am happy that he didn't leave the table.
The fact that he sucked out on me in several 70% situations before also helped, I almost got used to it (but it didn't change my game) :o



EDIT: And I also have 100+ Buy Ins, that makes it a ;lil'' easier.

On February 27 2010 19:20 animaniacs wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2010 18:21 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 27 2010 18:08 CamilaPunt wrote: thats a really high variance call where u might have a slight advantage not worth imo guy does that with KQ then he is bad enough to make mistakes in spots where u will have a clearer edge... What does that even mean, I am ahead of his range, the call is easily +ev being +ev doesn't make it the right play

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Im sorry, but isnt it about getting any edge you can in ev and going with it?

On February 27 2010 18:08 CamilaPunt wrote: thats a really high variance call where u might have a slight advantage not worth imo guy does that with KQ then he is bad enough to make mistakes in spots where u will have a clearer edge...

dont get it in if ur not willing to handle the variance imo

That's rough, good job going with a read though, glad it semi worked out :D lol

good call, don't listen to those h8ters.

Lots of confused advice going on here.

On February 27 2010 20:23 Currency wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2010 19:20 animaniacs wrote:   On February 27 2010 18:21 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 27 2010 18:08 CamilaPunt wrote: thats a really high variance call where u might have a slight advantage not worth imo guy does that with KQ then he is bad enough to make mistakes in spots where u will have a clearer edge... What does that even mean, I am ahead of his range, the call is easily +ev being +ev doesn't make it the right play lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Not sure why you're laughing at this. Min-raising AA pre is going to be +EV but nobody would say it's the right play.

In cash games you CAN be in spots where waiting would be a better choice. There are outside considerations you have to take into account as well, such as only being able to buy back in for $50 therefore losing potential value in each hand you play against the fish. The other is if you lose this pot, the fish might insta sitout and leave, which is of course changes the table from ++++++++++++EV to +EV.

That being said I think it's fine to ship it here if you're confident you're way ahead of his range. Judging by the stacks on the table, it looks like a lot of people are ready to ship it with something decent themselves and aren't going to let you whittle away his stack with AA.

On February 27 2010 18:08 CamilaPunt wrote: thats a really high variance call where u might have a slight advantage not worth imo guy does that with KQ then he is bad enough to make mistakes in spots where u will have a clearer edge...

and

On February 27 2010 23:44 edzwoo wrote: Not sure why you're laughing at this. Min-raising AA pre is going to be +EV but nobody would say it's the right play.

this call could be worth +5K or -5K in like half a years time because it is such high variance. meh, if i was 60/40 against his range i'd call.

On February 27 2010 23:44 edzwoo wrote: Lots of confused advice going on here. Show nested quote + On February 27 2010 20:23 Currency wrote:   On February 27 2010 19:20 animaniacs wrote:   On February 27 2010 18:21 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 27 2010 18:08 CamilaPunt wrote: thats a really high variance call where u might have a slight advantage not worth imo guy does that with KQ then he is bad enough to make mistakes in spots where u will have a clearer edge... What does that even mean, I am ahead of his range, the call is easily +ev being +ev doesn't make it the right play lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Not sure why you're laughing at this. Min-raising AA pre is going to be +EV but nobody would say it's the right play. .

Are you being sarcastic Edzwoo? I hope you are, because that has nothing to do with this hand.
(for those that didn't get Edzwoo's joke: When you minraise AA preflop, you are losing value because there are more +ev choices/ actions.
You can only call or fold here)


This guy limp called direct shove with T4o, and directly shoved preflop at random times. In addition he just lost a large pot, after which he always does something crazy and his shoving range is even wider.

If you know anything about poker this is a snap call even with 'only' 10% edge above his range.

And even if I do lose, I have position and he wasn't going anywhere.

I took back 6BI off of him after that hand.

what if he raised you your LIFE lemon? Then what?

On February 28 2010 15:43 NewbSaibot wrote: what if he raised you your LIFE lemon? Then what?

Well then I fold duh -.-

No money can be weighted against my life and I will not get any gain from his death, on the contrary.

Nothing can match infinity value I place on my life
So the call would be -ev