High Stakes Poker - Page 7

On September 25 2007 01:04 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2007 00:30 Baal wrote: on 2+2 just search for "starships" and u will see the Sammy photoshop thread link plz

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sho...197&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1

I found their search function pretty useless but google got it since i knew the title
Thread is so gold

On September 25 2007 03:38 Shabbzoy wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2007 01:04 capaneo wrote:   On September 25 2007 00:30 Baal wrote: on 2+2 just search for "starships" and u will see the Sammy photoshop thread link plz http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sho...197&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1 I found their search function pretty useless but google got it since i knew the title Thread is so gold

ya i tried 2p2 search function. It really pisses me off.

hehe

let me get this he spews so many pots he enters, plays wreckless but is scared of getting his money in 70/30 with jj vs a10

his 'gentleman/baller/larger than life' image makes up for it though

always fun to watch a baller say 'raisy daisy' with a smile on his face

On September 25 2007 04:33 WiseAdvice wrote: let me get this he spews so many pots he enters, plays wreckless but is scared of getting his money in 70/30 with jj vs a10 his 'gentleman/baller/larger than life' image makes up for it though always fun to watch a baller say 'raisy daisy' with a smile on his face

how is he scared? he only ran it twice wich is neutrally EV

number one, running it twice is stupid when u have the best hand, because all he has to do is hit 1 ace on 10 cards to come to break even.

also by 'scared' i meant he enters raised pots with hands like k5 or j7 etc, or makes bad calls or basically played like an idiot spewing money after money, but then when he has a chance to win a huge pot as a 70/30 fave, he begins talking deals, etc.

i love sammy, but running it twice jj vs a10 isnt too smart imo

its was boring show just pure gambling no reads no good hands no good laydowns

just game was soft as hell and booring

On September 25 2007 04:43 WiseAdvice wrote: number one, running it twice is stupid when u have the best hand, because all he has to do is hit 1 ace on 10 cards to come to break even. also by 'scared' i meant he enters raised pots with hands like k5 or j7 etc, or makes bad calls or basically played like an idiot spewing money after money, but then when he has a chance to win a huge pot as a 70/30 fave, he begins talking deals, etc. i love sammy, but running it twice jj vs a10 isnt too smart imo

hehe this has been discussed before so i know its hard to get the first time, but think about it.


Running it twice as a winner or as a looser is absolutely netraully EV, actually i WISH i could run it twice every single time im all-in... why? because it decreases variance.



If you run JJ vs AT twice, on 1000 different times, you will make the exact same money ammount that if you run it once 1000 times.


think about it before u reply cuz im positive im right this has been a big discussion in earlier.

the expectation is exactly the same when running it once or twice

so instead of 70% vs 30% and 0% tie (obv not exact numbers)

it becomes 35% vs 15% and 50% to tie

as mike matusow would say 'u guys are a bunch of idiots'

wtf i expected more intelligence from u mr.baal u dont play 25nl anymore dont convince urself that jj vs a10 is a good idea to run it twice, u damn as hell know online u would salivate see him drawing to 3 aces, and with all due respect, when u are ahead in the hand like this what are u playing for? u have 70% to win all the money, where as all he has to do is hit an ace 1 out of 10 cards and neutralized, just very very bad poker mind imo i would never expect u to endorse this concept in jj vs a10.

no joke

Did you even read my post dude?... did u see the quick math i did?


its 70% vs 30%... what if Phil would tell you ok buddy... ill give you exactly 70% of my chips but we wont run it...

What would you do? if you say NO then freaking play roulette, because i tought we poker players looked for EV+... and if we win 70% of his chips without running it that is absolutely the same than running it but with less variance.


If you say yes.. then smart man, you know that in the long run you arent winning his stack... you are only winning 70% of it, wich is esentially what he is offering you.

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Running it twice works exactly the same... basically ALL you do is increase the TIE odds... your winning odds go down but also your loosing ones does making it exactly NEUTRAL EV... its meaningless run it twice or once.





I would run it twice if i had JJ

I would run it twice if i had ATo





Think about it before you post, and then think about it again cuz im right , im off to bed now but please think about it before posting cuz ur going to make a fool out of yourself and i know you will cuz i did when i were in your position long time ago in another HSP season.

well obviously if u 70/30 favorite taking 70% of the pot is exactly the same so actually i would take 70% of the money and no flop, (unless i dont like him then i wanna gamble for all his chips)

so yes i would take 70% of the money being a 70/30 favorite.


now ur second part. forget poker for a second say u are putting 100 piece of paper in a basket, 70 of them are blue and 30 of them are red. you pick out 1 paper, if u hit blue you win all the money if u hit red u lose all the money. wtf would a decent intelligent mind ever want to 'run it twice'
seriously baal i know ur a 200nl grinder trying to be a 400nl loose-agressive-monster-boss but wtf man i mean u gotta be stupid to run it twice. U play poker cant be scared, u have 1 shot to win all the money 70/30

seriously online u playing 400nl for example and u have jj vs a10 allin preflop u know as well u take ur 70% favorite shot once u win u win u lose u lose instead of this chickening out and running it twice and at the same time losing your strangle hold on the hand.

dono i normally dont debate much but if u have jj vs a10 agreeing to run it twice is stupid. U got all the money in 70/30 u win why be a pussy and try to get a draw, if ur scared of a buyin then u gotta play at the penny games.

advanced bankroll managment course 102 would help

gl yo and keep the peace

On September 25 2007 04:52 wolfheart wrote: its was boring show just pure gambling no reads no good hands no good laydowns just game was soft as hell and booring

i think u are missing the point of hsp.
ur not there so much as to 'learn' though ill give credit that u CAN pick up tricks and tips and something, etc but 200nl+++ life-long winners treat it more as an 'entertainment' show and love to watch the ballers just have fun, laugh hard, talk deep, joke around and gamble for thousands of dollars like its pennies because that is what we are all striving for (serious gamers at least)

and the commentators rock! if i ever meet aj benza or gabe kaplan im getting my photo with them autographed even if it mean i have to spend 20$ at the local store for a 1-time-use-camera.

i would also get my shirt autographed with a permanent marker while im at it lol

i find table with magican and laak more 4x intresting then this lineup

mike baxster is cool but they should get rid of that muslim amateur i forget his name he is soooo boring, waste of tv space, better to get some highstakes internet pro instead of him.
i mean really i hate him

i agree baxster i cool muslim is ugly and booring .... its boring because daniel has been so nit sofar its only farha gold and elly

any of u guys got a pokerbay invitation u dont need? or maybe a non-pokerbay link for the episode? thanks in advance

Let's do the math:

70/30 situation like u guys are talking about:

Equity: 7/10x7/10 because u need to win twice in a row, barely 50% chance to win. Villain has 3/10x3/10 = barely 10% chance to win, leaves 40% for a tie.

Now let's say you run this for a whole bi of 1000 dollars:
ev= 70%x1000-30%x1000= +400$ if u run once
ev=50%x1000-10%x1000= +400$ if u run twice


Ev is the exactly the same if u run it once or twice, just decreases variance.

straight up i still stand 100% with mike matusow on the 'you guys are a bunch of idiots'

im a little bit too drunk read all ur numbers mr sheitan from canada, and im responding for the last time before i retire for the night but i hope ur not trying to convince me that running it once 70/30 is the exact same thing as running it twice, where u basically lose some value to in a way at least have a 'safe' draw

seriously now i know why mr.rekrul says 'fucking grinder nit losers'

i am 21 year old ive been around some more corners than some of u 18-19 yrs old penny grinders but man its really itching my curiosity and i will actually speak to a mathematic friend of mine to get the final knowledge of this

i still cant believe kids thinking 70/30 run it 1 time win/lose whatever = run it twice

running it twice from a philosophical perspective sound like a hustling scam from the player holding the weaker hand to get some type of 'insurance claim'

or whatever but ppl thinking its the same is just like witches few hundred of years ago, that kind of thinking needs to be burned at the stake

weird hope im right though