Pennsylvania Judge rules poker a game of skill - Page 2

nice

yes!

DIE UIGEA DIE

ahhhh yes now if our politicians would just do the same everything would turn out great

From my HH, Thomas James Jr. is a major shark over at ipoker.

On January 19 2009 15:59 TalentedTom wrote: hmm i dunno if this is good news, if canada decides poker is a game of skill i may have to pay taxes i like things the way they are

As long as the game is being played in a casino I don't think they can charge people taxes in Canada, and Canada owns %100 of all casino's in its country.

imo the 'starting/weak' players pay off the 'veterans/strong' players for a couple years until they themselves become strong etc then they get paid off by the new generation of starting/weak players its a vicious cycle..

If you guys can give me the party names I can pull the official opinion.

Then you can look at what was actually said, not just cardplayers interpretation of it.

I am interested in this claim

'However, Judge James said that Texas Hold’em games between individual players had to be treated differently and cited several academic works in reaching his conclusion that skill was the predominant factor in determining Texas Hold’em winners. “The compelling case that Texas Hold’em is much more a game of skill is found in many diverse sources,” the judge said.'

does anyone of you know how to get the court proceedings at all? I want to have a look at the 'academic works' the judge talked about.

On January 19 2009 15:59 TalentedTom wrote: hmm i dunno if this is good news, if canada decides poker is a game of skill i may have to pay taxes i like things the way they are

I don't think the government in any country has any right to tax poker players whether they consider it gambling or a game of skill. My reasoning for this is that you are not providing a service or a product to anyone. In fact you are actually being provided a service which you pay for. The only taxable party in this situation should be the 3rd party providing the service.

For Example: Pokerstars charges rake for us to play in their online cash games.

If rakeback exists then one can presume it is entirely possible for individual rake contribution to be calculated and therefore rake contribution by country to be calculated. Each individual country could then charge Pokerstars tax on the business they do with their citizens. So if Canadians contributed twenty million in rake to Pokerstars then Canada would get the appropriate tax revenue from that money.

Taking money out of the players pockets is literally the government just deciding it wants a share of the pie which they haven't earned. I'm not a professional athlete and I'm not being paid to do what I do when I play poker. I don't receive a steady paycheck, any kind of benefits, or employment security. Is the government going to share in the losing when I'm on a downswing?

The only appropriate situation for taxing poker players is if someone had a stable of cash-game players where they paid them to play the game. For example if you ran a business where you taught players to beat 50NL full-ring which is a fairly easy thing to do and then paid them minimum wage to work 40 hours a week for you playing 6-8 FR tables or more once their job training was completed. In fact in Canada right now you can only be taxed for this particular situation. In which case the companies earnings are taxed. Not a bad idea for a business though especially since you could probably grow it to something like twenty employees pretty quickly without having too many players on the same tables.

Awesome, we need more judges who play poker imo.

i found the court proceeding myself, so will withdraw back the $20 offer.