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terrybunny19240   United States. Feb 16 2009 17:01. Posts 13829
I've been quite the slacker in school since highschool rolled around. I am at a community college (going to the state university next semester) because of it, and here I've taken my sweet time (3years to get a 2yr degree :D).

The hard sciences have always been interested to me but never so interesting or have they come so naturally to me that I want to devote my life to them. I sit through my math classes, well except stats which was interesting/seemed useful, and when tests roll around I try to remember what I learned and cram it real quick. The result is obviously mediocre since I've really put no overall effort into them.

Liberal arts: History, psychology, philosophy, each of these are much more interesting to me. But still not interesting enough-- not to mention the job opportunities are rather bleak. I naturally take to knowledge in these classes. Too bad there's no real high-income way of using liberal arts degrees.

My enduring interest has always been in a general sense, "business". But not working for someone else's business. No way. I want to build, run, and work(for little while ) at something I OWN. I want to invest in businesses. Make decisions on where to allocate funds, where I can grow my money most effectively, and have freedom outside of that.

Maybe its just the economy affecting me in the short term, but on top of never, ever wanting to have a normal job since I ever became aware of the concept of "job".. Now I REALLY never want to have to worry about such a thing. Both of my closest friends have been laid off recently. My mom can't find work. And here I am spending half my week, every week on school, preparing to join them in their job-insecurity and inability to do much about it.

Its awful.

Considering what my friends were earning (one with a college degree, one without, both intelligent and hard working).. I already have (or am very near) the ability to make more than them this year even if I am stuck at nl100 for the entire year! And this isn't even atypical! Observe:

"…[a]verage earnings ranged from $18,900 for high school dropouts to $25,900 for high school graduates, $45,400 for college graduates and $99,300 for workers with professional degrees (M.D., D.O., J.D., Pharm.D., D.D.S., or D.V.M.). (US census bureau 2002)
With a 6 year degree, a Master's, the median income is just $62,300! A Professional degree takes atleast 8 years.


I understand and appreciate the self-enrichment of a college education.. Absolutely. I enjoy it. But I don't count advanced maths among them. These things don't enrich me for any of MY own purposes or interests. Humanities, language, etc. I can appreciate. Spending 1/2 the year learning about subjects I can't find a use or interest in.. Where's my benefit?

I know that having a degree opens your options, giving you more job potential in times of crises. Not that this is helping my friend and his bachelor's degree.

But damn it, I feel like I have an opportunity here in poker. A chance to spend a couple of years-- maybe longer, maybe not-- making good money on my own terms. Maybe a chance to make very significant amounts of money to build a healthy investment roll, so that I only rely on my own assets as backup in crises. Maybe a chance to set myself for life?

At the very least, to make more than enough money to set some aside for 4-6 years of college down the road?

Its a volatile and chance-y road to take, poker is, but people have gambled damn near since the creation of currency.

I can't find any reason to take more than 1 class a semester, until I'm done with poker or no longer wish it to be my job.

Lastly, I feel like now is my best chance at such a freedom. I can live almost entirely for free, though in reality I spend about $500 a month to stay comfortable and to reduce my mom's burden. I have no real responsibilities or expenses outside of car insurance and maintanence(wow I can't spell this word), and food costs. When will I have a better chance to chase a dream? Let alone one I think is very realistic and attainable.

Please let me know your thoughts, as this isn't something I've totally decided yet, and I think my results during this coming summer will make a big difference in my final decision. Until then I'm just going to try to force myself to finish up this semester with decent grades.




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gawdawaful   Canada. Feb 16 2009 17:04. Posts 9014

nothing stopping you from doing both is there?
I'm in the last semester of my 4 year degree in which it took me 5 years.

Im only good at poker when I run good 

OpWestAcct   United States. Feb 16 2009 17:05. Posts 640

I am in the same boat. I decided that if I was at your level poker wise (which I am very close) I would continue poker until I had reason to go to school. Cause playing this game and doing what you love for even $35,000 a year is still fulfilling.

Fuck me 

PanoRaMa   United States. Feb 16 2009 17:05. Posts 1655

I wouldn't consider it until you have been playing higher or have made enough capital from it to do what you want from poker.

And no I'm not just one of those guys who's blindly going "U MUST GET UR DEGREE!!!", in fact I'm in a similar position. I took my Winter quarter off and the previous quarter I attended, I've been a part time student (< 2 classes). However, with the way poker is, and UIGEA which might ruin the games even more come January, etc. etc. I can't really see it as a complete substitute and I've decided to go back to school this Spring because I think I'd just be giving up way too much if I decided to take that quarter off as well.

p.s. i hate school

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collegesucks   United States. Feb 16 2009 17:06. Posts 5780

i'm graduating this semester and i've only just realized that there's more to college than getting a degree and starting a career. the experience can teach you a lot and develop you as a person. don't make the mistake i made and actually make the effort to see what's out there. and also, it's not impossible to balance poker and education. plus, i think that by the time you graduate college with a business degree, the economy and the job market will be again extremely receptive to recent grads, in case your poker plans turn sour.

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terrybunny19240   United States. Feb 16 2009 17:09. Posts 13829


  On February 16 2009 16:04 gawdawaful wrote:
nothing stopping you from doing both is there?
I'm in the last semester of my 4 year degree in which it took me 5 years.



Very true, and something I've been thinking a lot about. I mentioned taking one class.. but maybe two classes would be a satisfactory compromise for me.

Only thing is that if I am taking 3-5 classes a semester (4-5 is considered fulltime as you know), I am going to have a couple of grand a year more in expenses since I don't have a scholarship, tuition/books keep climbing in cost, and I won't be able to receive financial aid if I make more than ~$6k/year (which is a joke).


terrybunny19240   United States. Feb 16 2009 17:13. Posts 13829


  On February 16 2009 16:06 collegesucks wrote:
i'm graduating this semester and i've only just realized that there's more to college than getting a degree and starting a career. the experience can teach you a lot and develop you as a person. don't make the mistake i made and actually make the effort to see what's out there. and also, it's not impossible to balance poker and education. plus, i think that by the time you graduate college with a business degree, the economy and the job market will be again extremely receptive to recent grads, in case your poker plans turn sour.



Congrats on graduating I'm graduating with my epic 2year degree this semester ;D!

I know the economy isn't 'doomed forever' or something dumb like that, but its the whole idea of working under some twatwaffle that is so unappealing to me.

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TremendousGats   Canada. Feb 16 2009 17:13. Posts 467


  On February 16 2009 16:06 collegesucks wrote:
i'm graduating this semester and i've only just realized that there's more to college than getting a degree and starting a career. the experience can teach you a lot and develop you as a person. .



very true.

How you want it, bars or bullets? 

edzwoo   United States. Feb 16 2009 17:14. Posts 5911


  On February 16 2009 16:09 Night2o1 wrote:
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Very true, and something I've been thinking a lot about. I mentioned taking one class.. but maybe two classes would be a satisfactory compromise for me.

Only thing is that if I am taking 3-5 classes a semester (4-5 is considered fulltime as you know), I am going to have a couple of grand a year more in expenses since I don't have a scholarship, tuition/books keep climbing in cost, and I won't be able to receive financial aid if I make more than ~$6k/year (which is a joke).


Stay in school.

Why? Well in the event that poker dries up in the near future, or even becomes illegal or something, you won't have a backup plan to live off of.

I want to play poker as a career as well, but college is crucial as a plan B.


BrocheN   United States. Feb 16 2009 17:29. Posts 932


  On February 16 2009 16:14 edzwoo wrote:
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Stay in school.

Why? Well in the event that poker dries up in the near future, or even becomes illegal or something, you won't have a backup plan to live off of.

I want to play poker as a career as well, but college is crucial as a plan B.



This exactly. Im finishing up in May with my Bachelors in Business Marketing and Management. Poker is not guaranteed to be here forever, but your education will. If online poker fails, what do you fall back on? Move to Europe maybe?


Kilay   Netherlands. Feb 16 2009 17:59. Posts 1960


  On February 16 2009 16:29 BrocheN wrote:
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This exactly. Im finishing up in May with my Bachelors in Business Marketing and Management. Poker is not guaranteed to be here forever, but your education will. If online poker fails, what do you fall back on? Move to Europe maybe?



What does moving to Europe changes it all ?? It's not like it's easier to get work without some kind of degree out here or whatever ?? It's not like we are a freaking 3rd world nation o whatever...


joker   Czech Republic. Feb 16 2009 18:08. Posts 118


  On February 16 2009 16:29 BrocheN wrote:
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This exactly. Im finishing up in May with my Bachelors in Business Marketing and Management. Poker is not guaranteed to be here forever, but your education will. If online poker fails, what do you fall back on? Move to Europe maybe?



+1

I study law and I will be done next year and I recommend you to stay in school too. First of all studying allowed me to play poker, because my parents are paying basic stuff like eat and private flat which we share with my friends in city where I study. Without this backup I cant imagine my poker beginning. As student you will still have a lot of time and you will be able to leave your tables after loosing 7bi´s and go to the pub easily with your friend like student with intention to grind it back next days instead of hating your life if you will be only addicted on poker income from your NL100 ... I am also considering to stay playing poker for a while after my graduation, because I like the freedom and obv money on it, but I take it only like one of many oportunities - who knows how long will online poker be there ? And are you ready to make this whole life decision right now ? What will you do after few years when you for example figure out that you are so bored by playing 4 tables of holdem/omaha 6 hours a day, or that you are unfortunatelly not able to be a winner higher than 2/4 ? It is always nice to have something in reserve, and if you will find your school carefully and select something what you are at least a bit interested in, it will be good investment into your life not urgently in term of making money, but also you will have more oportunities to spend your life productively, everytime doing what you like.


joker   Czech Republic. Feb 16 2009 18:09. Posts 118


  On February 16 2009 16:59 Kilay wrote:
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What does moving to Europe changes it all ?? It's not like it's easier to get work without some kind of degree out here or whatever ?? It's not like we are a freaking 3rd world nation o whatever...



Iam sure that this wasnt his point.


Kilay   Netherlands. Feb 16 2009 18:12. Posts 1960

Btw, I can't see poker dieing out anytime soon, especially not since the population playing on sites like Pokerstars (also because of their awesome promotions like this 25th billion hand thing) is growing very steadily. Sure the UIGEA gave a solid blow (didn't play before UIGEA so don't know how soft it was) but UIGEA may get lifted/altered and even then, playing population seems to be growing according the statistics.

That being said, I advocate staying in school but I don't particularly hate school since I like gaining extra knowledge in almost every aspect of life (including poker, most times I like studying poker more than actually playing...).


Uptown   . Feb 16 2009 18:19. Posts 3557

Fuck me I start work in April

Half Pot! 

Uptown   . Feb 16 2009 18:19. Posts 3557

and I will most likely make less than I will from poker lolol

Half Pot! 

terrybunny19240   United States. Feb 16 2009 18:59. Posts 13829

First off, thanks for the replies everyone even if I don't respond to you individually ^^

I see that overall everyone is pretty pro-stay-in-school. I do see what you're saying, and I think I will stay in school at the very least through Fall semester. Though as a compromise, I think I will take just two classes. This way school won't take up too much time but perhaps it will help keep me on a somewhat organized schedule.

There's no way I could ever get myself to take more than two classes while having any measurable poker success, imo, and I hope that I won't be punished in some way by tuition or some penalty for having such a light course load.

Also LOL at random "move to europe maybe?". I think he meant there could be more poker action there if poker fails in the US btw. Maybe he'll come back and clarify so no euros are offended ;p


traxamillion   United States. Feb 16 2009 19:17. Posts 10468

It probably won't die. Generates too much money for certain people.

It prolly won't still dry up you all still suck


terrybunny19240   United States. Feb 16 2009 19:20. Posts 13829

OH FUCK LOL

I thought my calc test was on wednesday (I missed last class, he must of rescheduled or I was misinformed). I intended to goto the library the day before the test and figure out all of the shit we're supposed to of learned. Obviously that was supposed to be tomorrow. I walked upto the door today and saw everyone is taking a test.

oh fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck lol. If I go in there and take this test I'm going to fail and have to withdraw, and take the course over summer so I can xfer to the university in the fall.

should I go in and basically auto-fail, or skip and e-mail him that I was sick and see if I can do the exam another time?

ahhhh FML.

fuck it I'm going to go for it, I have until march 20th to withdraw I guess. fuck. waste of 200 bucks tution.

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traxamillion   United States. Feb 16 2009 19:26. Posts 10468

umm i've been there.

what i actually recommend is going to the ER right now complaining of some ailment. cough works or extreme headache (insurance will even buy u some vicodin)

this will allow u to make up the test.

If you go in and fail - u fail no re

if u try to e-mail AFTER the test they will probably deny u without doctors note


 
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