** Hand # 2449421781 starting - 2009-02-27 15:36:23
** Bravery Of Being 2 [Hold 'em] (10.00|20.00 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
Nebuchad sitting in seat 1 with €2603.00
Joeik4 sitting in seat 2 with €3617.00
Samuel123 sitting in seat 3 with €2047.00
Fox-Fox sitting in seat 4 with €6075.50
Gul-Britt sitting in seat 5 with €3675.00[Dealer]
danneville sitting in seat 6 with €5918.00
danneville posted the small blind - €10.00
Nebuchad posted the big blind - €20.00
Holecards Joeik4 raised to €65.00
Samuel123 folded
Fox-Fox folded
Gul-Britt raised to €220.00
danneville folded
Nebuchad raised to €464.00
Joeik4 ?
Gul-Britt is a solid aggro regular, 25/21, total 3bet 8, btn 3bet 10. No special history this session, but we have been fighting it lightish in the past occassionally.
Nebuchad is new to me, so far runs very LAGy at 36/30 after 70 hands. Seems like a regular but I dont know him enough. I stacked him few hands back flush vs. my higher flush.
Just to note it, I have about 180bb, Gul-Britt has about the same, Nebuchad has like 130bb.
So, whats my plan?
I can ship it which is the easiest, but I am afraid they may then play their hands close to perfect.
I can just call, but I am giving Gul-Britt great calling odds and since we are deepish he has a solid chance to outplay me postflop + I
will very likely get into a difficult decision later.
Or I can make a very small raise, which will probably make Gul-Britt play his hand perfectly, but Nebuchad may feel like calling for odds with a wider range maybe? In this case, should Gul-Britt raise it back (probably push), I feel like I should be folding, but its too sick, I dunno.
Comment pls.
there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell)
HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Feb 27 2009 11:02. Posts 10896
i reraise 987
because nebuchad have shit and fuck that if hes lucky enought to have AA here
about the other guy i dont care either i hve kings
KINGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I don't know if I like to get it in vs Gul-britt with joe's image. I'd probably instaship but I dunno if he'll stack off deep vs what he feels is a nit/tight player with like QQ.
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TimDawg United States. Feb 27 2009 12:35. Posts 10197
waiting for talentedtom to post......
online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball
[vital]Myth United States. Feb 27 2009 17:12. Posts 12159
he wears big sunglasses and tries to stay away from crowds at live tournaments now because of that comment lol
Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser
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TalentedTom Canada. Feb 27 2009 17:33. Posts 20070
lo
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
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Rekrul United States. Feb 27 2009 19:19. Posts 3338
lol that guy is fucking dumb
LOvEDoM says: ALL IN WAR
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TalentedTom Canada. Feb 28 2009 11:25. Posts 20070
gotta fix the jew problem somehow
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
RaSZi, you probably define 'standard' differently than I do. I wasnt in a same or a very similar situation many times before and tbh I would be very surprised if you found 20+ very similar spots like this one in your database.
there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell)
On March 01 2009 16:27 Jamie217 wrote:
even tomson and raszi are saying allin... it has to be a shove just cuz of that
I only said it's an all-in if Gul-Britt is a Jew and Nebuchad is making the 'hate raise'.
The very small 4bet with these stacks by Nebuchad to me is indicative of a heavily polarised range (KK+ or bluff). I don't think he's cold 4betting OOP a 3bet against your UTG open from 220EUR to a measily 464EUR w/ QQ or AK with over 2,1k behind (he would be very concerned about getting a flat call). I would be VERY surprised if he was.
So the main question is - how often is he bluffing this way? If not often at all or close to never then it's a easy fold. When you shove and they fold you win 759 EUR, but if you get called it's gonna be KK+ and then you lose about 1,8k EUR when it's Gul-Britt holding KK+ or about 1,4k EUR when it's Nebuchad with the KK+. They also might have AA and KK at the same time which is gonna suck even more for you. So unless you expect to take it down more than 3/4 of the time without showdown you can't shove.
Can you call? If Gul-Britt shoves you probably have to call. I don't know if that's good or not - depends if he's gonna go crazy with AK or QQ. If you go to the flop I guess I could come up with an optimal route, but it would take 5 minutes and I don't feel like doing it right now. Intuitively though this sounds like a fold.
'But tomson, if you're folding KK isn't that extremely exploitable?' some of you might say. Well, from our (UTG) perspective it might, but it won't be that profitable for Nebuchad to bluff here. He's cold 4betting a 3bet of an UTG open and, what's VERY important here - he's giving insane odds for the 3better to call in position with a lot of money behind. Bluffing is very good against us, but isn't very good for him.
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