Two and half months breakeven, advice needed !

Hey guys could really use some opinions here. I have been playing online poker on Pokerstars since end of 2006. I moved up pretty quick from 5nl to 50nl 6max, where I have stayed most of the time. In 2007 I was a marginal winner at 50nl with a 2ptbb/100 winrate and then some nice dude from LP sweated me for a couple of hrs in September last year and kind of changed my weaktite nitty mindset. My winrate improved and from then on I had a decent winrate. Not great but about 4.45ptbb/100 over almost 500k hands wich was a big improvement for me, and about 2.5ptbb/100 at 100nl wich is still marginal.
Aug. and Sept. I had 2 particulary good months and was playing 100nl regulary, and then beginning of October everything went downhill. It started with me cashing out a bunch of $$ for some urgent expenses, and I left myself with 1700$ to grind back from 50nl. I lost about 1100$ in 2 days with really sick coolers. Like really unreal, and I probably ended up tilting some too. All of a sudden my Bankroll was crippled and I had to move down to 25nl where I kept loosing. In the lowest point my BR reached 340$ and I eventualy managed to grind that back thru Double or nothing sng's and 25nl and brought my BR all the way upto 3600$, enough to play 100nl, then started hitting crazy variance again and again and lost like half of it. I'm certain that I'm running like shit, but I'm sure tilt has also made me spew big time. Anyways, really thanks for everybody who actualy read all this, and I would really appreciate some advice from u guys who went thru the same shit and how u where able to get back on track.

cliffnotes: Me whinning about 130k breakeven strech and asking for any advice.

below my 2008 graph and my PT stats jan-sep and oct-till now.

u don't want to see my graph, 10 months of break even

I think it's pretty much std variance, when you're a marginal winner, variance can make you breakeven for huge periods of time i guess (and i know what im talking about i think i'm breakeven on like 1 month and a half now).

why havent u moved up to 1-2

On December 09 2008 12:40 Sheitan wrote: I think it's pretty much std variance, when you're a marginal winner, variance can make you breakeven for huge periods of time i guess (and i know what im talking about i think i'm breakeven on like 1 month and a half now).

play with rakeback, it will reduce your pain

looks like teh only difference in stats is that your won at SD decreased from 51% to 48% while everything else stayed about teh same

-> u simply run worse than before
but stats can probably not tell it all

On December 09 2008 12:43 VanDerMeyde wrote: why havent u moved up to 1-2

Cause poker has been my income since a year and a half and I have been cashing out constantly to pay for expenses

I know it's kind of pathetic to play 50nl for a living, but cost of live is cheaper here. Will be moving up eventualy and stay there for good.

On December 09 2008 13:21 Edjon wrote: play with rakeback, it will reduce your pain

I'm supernova, the 5400fpps sng have basically paid for the last 2 month. I made about 9k$ from these this year, so it's like a rakeback.

You're a professional and have only played 500k hands this year? You don't seem to take your profession seriously.

I see a serious lack of effort here.

Put more effort into playing and studying your hands. Read books. Do everything. I think you said you had wife/kids? Take this shit seriously. Only thing that'd be worse than an busto poker pro looking for work in the US is a busto poker pro looking for work in Venezuela.

There is zero reason for a serious poker player who puts in a lot of effort/time into studying and playing to lose anywhere below 3/6 IMO.

On December 09 2008 14:16 Maynard! wrote: You're a professional and have only played 500k hands this year? You don't seem to take your profession seriously. I see a serious lack of effort here.

I do play more tables now and then, but I quickly loose focus and my winrate drops significantly, so I stay with 4tables. Most of you guys are ex-gamers and probably own me when it comes to multitasking.

I do study a lot and review my hands all the time, to the point that I'm obsessed with becoming better. I'm constantly telling myself to stop fucking around and take this shit seriously, but tbh I usualy play better when I'm taking it easy.

On December 09 2008 14:16 Maynard! wrote: You're a professional and have only played 500k hands this year? You don't seem to take your profession seriously. I see a serious lack of effort here.

joke right?

On December 09 2008 14:39 pinbaLL wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2008 14:16 Maynard! wrote: You're a professional and have only played 500k hands this year? You don't seem to take your profession seriously. I see a serious lack of effort here. joke right?

Not at all. Considering he plays 4 tables its fine amount of playing-effort. Albeit on the low-end.

500k hands 8-handed thus far in year amounts to around 2.5 hours per day. Thats extremely bad amount of effort if you're a professional trying to develop.

Its very different if you're already established and want to enjoy fruits of your labor by only playing 2.5 hours a day than if you're trying to establish yourself and move up from the micros.

its about 1500 hands a day 4 tabling I think

On December 09 2008 14:50 lebowski wrote: its about 1500 hands a day 4 tabling I think

this sounds about right, sometimes 1, sometimes 2 days off a week.

On December 09 2008 14:45 Maynard! wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2008 14:39 pinbaLL wrote:   On December 09 2008 14:16 Maynard! wrote: You're a professional and have only played 500k hands this year? You don't seem to take your profession seriously. I see a serious lack of effort here. joke right? Not at all. Considering he plays 4 tables its fine amount of playing-effort. Albeit on the low-end. 500k hands 8-handed thus far in year amounts to around 2.5 hours per day. Thats extremely bad amount of effort if you're a professional trying to develop. Its very different if you're already established and want to enjoy fruits of your labor by only playing 2.5 hours a day than if you're trying to establish yourself and move up from the micros.

assuming 4tabling 6max at those stakes is about 350 hands per hour including time spent looking for good tables and joining/leaving tables (which is my closest guess for hands/hr), that works out to an avg of 4 hours a day for this year, not sure where you got 2.5 from. thats a 28 hour week not counting extra time spent using forums and training sites and off-table reviewing in pt which should easily make it 30+ hrs/week with 0 days off. not one of the hardest workers in poker grinding history but you cant really fault him on that imo.

On December 09 2008 14:16 Maynard! wrote: You're a professional and have only played 500k hands this year? You don't seem to take your profession seriously. I see a serious lack of effort here. Put more effort into playing and studying your hands. Read books. Do everything. I think you said you had wife/kids? Take this shit seriously. Only thing that'd be worse than an busto poker pro looking for work in the US is a busto poker pro looking for work in Venezuela. There is zero reason for a serious poker player who puts in a lot of effort/time into studying and playing to lose anywhere below 3/6 IMO.

500k hands? that's freaking a lot. you are just playing like a mindless drone and make poker sites rich from the rake you pay.

On December 09 2008 15:59 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2008 14:45 Maynard! wrote:   On December 09 2008 14:39 pinbaLL wrote:   On December 09 2008 14:16 Maynard! wrote: You're a professional and have only played 500k hands this year? You don't seem to take your profession seriously. I see a serious lack of effort here. joke right? Not at all. Considering he plays 4 tables its fine amount of playing-effort. Albeit on the low-end. 500k hands 8-handed thus far in year amounts to around 2.5 hours per day. Thats extremely bad amount of effort if you're a professional trying to develop. Its very different if you're already established and want to enjoy fruits of your labor by only playing 2.5 hours a day than if you're trying to establish yourself and move up from the micros. assuming 4tabling 6max at those stakes is about 350 hands per hour including time spent looking for good tables and joining/leaving tables (which is my closest guess for hands/hr), that works out to an avg of 4 hours a day for this year, not sure where you got 2.5 from. thats a 28 hour week not counting extra time spent using forums and training sites and off-table reviewing in pt which should easily make it 30+ hrs/week with 0 days off. not exactly sick work ethic but you cant really fault him on that imo.

I went on the assumption of 8 handed. Once he said 4-handed I said it was barely above the acceptable level but still on the low end.

On December 09 2008 16:01 blah1234 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 09 2008 14:16 Maynard! wrote: You're a professional and have only played 500k hands this year? You don't seem to take your profession seriously. I see a serious lack of effort here. Put more effort into playing and studying your hands. Read books. Do everything. I think you said you had wife/kids? Take this shit seriously. Only thing that'd be worse than an busto poker pro looking for work in the US is a busto poker pro looking for work in Venezuela. There is zero reason for a serious poker player who puts in a lot of effort/time into studying and playing to lose anywhere below 3/6 IMO. 500k hands? that's freaking a lot. you are just playing like a mindless drone and make poker sites rich from the rake you pay.

If you're gonna be pro off of 50 or 100nl you gotta put yourself in a position to being able to put in long hours. You have to win 10-15 buyins/month to break even.

Playing 4 hours day is very little. Wake up, get a coffee and something to eat. Play 2 hours. Fuck around all day. Play another 2 hour session at 5. There needs to be far more effort than this.