Jesus V. Religion - Page 15

On January 18 2012 00:40 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2012 22:17 Zorglub wrote: Light = God => The Sun = The Son Here is what I think: Everything is on an infinite (or circular) spectrum, even religion. We have a "free choice" in defining our own value on these spectrum's of options. Same as the uncertainty principle (and also quantum mechanics in a 4d environment, four axises to define at once). As God is both particle and wave, so too can we choose to be particle or wave (or a bit of both), individual or social, logical or emotional, republican or liberal, capitalist or communist, left brain hemisphere or right brain hemisphere, eastern or western world, materialistic or spiritual etc. But we can not be both strictly particle and strictly wave at the same time, at any given moment. We have to chose either strictly one of them, or a combination in between. This gives us (like particles) uncertainty because we can only define one or the other value at any given moment, not both at the same time. you high?

Maybe. I am in quantum superposition, its great up here, everything is possible

On January 18 2012 00:26 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On January 18 2012 00:17 Baalim wrote: Rainbows are an optical effect caused by the refraction and wavelenght of the rays, rainbows are as "real" as are the colors of your clothes We are able to observe them because we have biological photon detectors (eyes), we arent able to detect other effects happening in higher or lower frequencies. But these other phenomena are objectively there just like the rainbow?

Yes the phenomena are there, we just have the right organ to observe it, just as a hammer shark is able to observe electromagnetic pulses that we cant.

On January 17 2012 18:25 Baalim wrote: Shut the fuck up and post evidence of the Soul You claimed the soul existed and said you would post evidence, you dont get to drop the subjects and discuss other things, post evidence or concede that there is no evidence that the soul exist and that you believe things there are no evidence of

You want proof of the Soul yet you don't want to comprehend simple things. Read this post very carefully, I will make it as simple as it can get.

In order for me to prove that the Soul exists I have to prove that there can be an alternative reality in which spirits can exist. Right now you believe that the physical reality is the only reality in the Universe. The double slit experiment proves that ELECTRONS EXIST ON INFINITE PLACES SIMULTANEOUSLY. Mainstream physics tell you that your body, for example, is made up of electrons and that they exist in only one place. That is so because mainstream science OBSERVES the electrons and locks them in one of their possible positions. This is proved by the last segment of the double slit experiment in which either a measuring device or a scientist is put to follow the exact movement of the electron (rather than just verifying the results AFTER the test is done). So, right at this moment - look at your hand. It is made up of certain number of electrons in certain locations. BUT those electrons exist simultaneously on different places that you cannot observe due to you existing in only one reality!!! This is fundamental! If you don't understand this, you cannot understand the soul!

Now, the physical reality is that which you can see with your eyes and interact with.



This is the tiny portion of light that we, humans, can see. Everything existing in the other ranges we cannot see or interact with. If you stand near a microwave, the microwaves go through you because they are so 'thin', so to speak, that they go between the electrons and the other particles you are made of. You cannot see them, you cannot interact with them, and yet they are REAL. If you are in a car, you can tune into many different frequencies through your radio. They all exist in the same space of your car at the same time. That's the way it is with different light/sound frequencies. They don't exclude each other if they are at the same place because they have different frequencies and don't interact with each other.

So far, with the double slit experiment and the light spectrum explanation I have proved that THERE CAN BE ALTERNATIVE REALITIES THAT YOU CANNOT SEE/INTERACT WITH.

Now, let's prove the existence of the soul in one of those alternative realities.

15 to 20 % of the people that go brain-dead after some accident or operation experience a Near Death Experience or Out Of Body Experience. I now you will use the DMT-card which in some respect is true - your body does release DMT before death. So, let's exclude that in a way that it doesn't matter whether it releases anything and prove that either way the soul exists.

Some of the % of those NDE/OBE happen during an operation after an anesthesia shot. The patients cannot see or hear. But let's exclude the hearing. Let's say they can hear somehow and narrow the range to only being unable to see. There are DOCUMENTED cases in which the patient after being awakened from the operation reports going out of their bodies and seeing details that couldn't be seen/known in any way possible. They report the exact course of the operation, the exact tools being used for different parts of their body and the way they were used. During an operation the doctor DOES NOT OPEN their tool boxes until they need them in order to prevent contamination from the air. That's why the patient cannot know what they look like or what they were used for. Moreover, the patient reports the position of all doctors, who goes out of the room at which point, who does what and different dialogues (if you think they can hear, you can exclude the dialogue part). The patient's reports cannot be proven in any other way except for them being there, watching the operation!!! That is why the number of striking details from the reports of patients who undergo operations with anesthesia is ASTOUNDINGLY ACCURATE. The statistical signifance is beyond any explanation through mere chance or prior knowledge. There are scientific experts who have compiled thousands of such cases throughout the last few decades and this is as much of a prove as you can get. Thinking otherwise is the equivalent of thinking that nanonoko is just a lucky donk who would be losing tons of money if it wasn't for his incredible luck in 2-3 million hands. We all know this is bullshit because of the mathematical deviation and statistical significance.

If anyone thinks this post makes sense, please say so. If not, please point out which part you don't agree with and why. Thank you.

at what stage of gestation does the soul come about? or is it created post birth? and does it die with the person? does a pigeon have a soul too?

what is soul

On January 18 2012 04:53 D_smart_S wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2012 18:25 Baalim wrote: Shut the fuck up and post evidence of the Soul You claimed the soul existed and said you would post evidence, you dont get to drop the subjects and discuss other things, post evidence or concede that there is no evidence that the soul exist and that you believe things there are no evidence of You want proof of the Soul yet you don't want to comprehend simple things. Read this post very carefully, I will make it as simple as it can get. In order for me to prove that the Soul exists I have to prove that there can be an alternative reality in which spirits can exist. Right now you believe that the physical reality is the only reality in the Universe. The double slit experiment proves that ELECTRONS EXIST ON INFINITE PLACES SIMULTANEOUSLY.

I stopped reading there as it is already much more confuse than a recent publication on Higgs' boson . What is this prove ? this infinite ? What is this "exist" ? There are states, probabilities. You are clearly making up what you want.
Btw, Feynman himself said that he did not understand quantum physics.

The most interesting stuff I have about the soul is :
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 18 2012 06:21 julep wrote: at what stage of gestation does the soul come about? or is it created post birth? and does it die with the person? does a pigeon have a soul too?

The first law of thermodynamics states that no energy is ever destroyed, but is simply transformed from one state to another. For example, if you burn a newspaper, it simply goes into gaseous form. So, yeah, the soul states intact because it is made up of the most basic layer in the Universe - consciousness. So you can't downgrade it into something more basic and therefore the soul is infinite.

I cannot say at what point the soul is "put" into a certain embryo but I remember reading some argumentation on it being between conception and birth. I cannot remember what arguments were used so I really cannot say anything on this matter. So please don't attack me, I don't have an idea .

All conscious things have souls, because the soul is simply consciousness. So, yeah, animals have souls but not as evolved as ours.

On January 18 2012 06:57 D_smart_S wrote: The first law of thermodynamics states...

Just fuck off already, it's obvious you're just trolling now.

You guys might be interested in John Searle (Phil. of Mind and Language) . I don't have much of an opinion on most philosophical topics, but enjoy his writings and lectures.



Some articles:
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~jsearle/articles.html

Consciousness

The Future of Philosophy


Youtube search:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search...0l8728l11l11l0l1l1l0l141l963l6.4l10l0

How does the brain think? How can it think about something new, which it supposedly didn't knew before? How can it be at one time the sender and receiver of information? How can it be the ignorant and the knower in the same time?

I would answer those questions but since this is the internet I'm just not gonna bother

On January 18 2012 07:22 Funktion wrote: Show nested quote + On January 18 2012 06:57 D_smart_S wrote: The first law of thermodynamics states... Just fuck off already, it's obvious you're just trolling now.

He's not trolling, his brain is trolling him.
The guy is so ignorant, i mean Mathematical deviation? LOOOOL WTF IS MATHEMATICAL DEVIATION.
he's making up shit while he's writting, its quite hilarious. i thought yesterday : "oh man, i think he scared d samrt s away, with all the calling him retard, maybe he realized that he has a huge problem" and then LOL

On January 18 2012 04:53 D_smart_S wrote: [QUOTE]On January 17 2012 18:25 Baalim wrote: Shut the fuck up and post evidence of the Soul Thinking otherwise is the equivalent of thinking that nanonoko is just a lucky donk who would be losing tons of money if it wasn't for his incredible luck in 2-3 million hands. We all know this is bullshit because of the mathematical deviation and statistical significance. If anyone thinks this post makes sense, please say so. If not, please point out which part you don't agree with and why. Thank you.

I'm sorry D_Smart_s, this might piss you off more than me simply stating that you are a retard.


Your understanding of physics is so wrong it is incredible, you seem to never have been
educated in it by anyone with a solid foundation so you have no foundation whatsoever
for most of the things you say, there is so much wrong contained in your "physics" explanation that
my 13 year old cousin could tell you why you are wrong on so many levels on so many things but let me.

In order for me to prove that the Soul exists I have to prove that there can be an alternative reality in which spirits can exist

No, there are a lot of things you must begin with and even then you're so, so wrong, including but not limited to:
Defining what a soul is

The double slit experiment proves that ELECTRONS EXIST ON INFINITE PLACES SIMULTANEOUSLY

No it does not, it proves that electrons have a wave like behavior to them.

Mainstream physics tell you that your body, for example, is made up of electrons and that they exist in only one place.

Tell us that our body is made up of electrons and a variety of other particles that make up the atoms in our body*.

BUT those electrons exist simultaneously on different places that you cannot observe due to you existing in only one reality

First of all, if this were mainstream science it would mean that string theory was already accepted by the scientific community
and that the scientific community had somehow accepted the multiverse/metaverse hypothesis.
It has done neither of those things.

This is fundamental! If you don't understand this, you cannot understand the soul!

But then again literally everything you just said is wrong.
Does one need to make wrong assumptions to assert that there is a soul and prove it?
I think one does need to do that.

Everything existing in the other ranges we cannot see or interact with.

Yet another blatantly false statement/misunderstanding of physics by you.
Please have a go at blasting yourself with gamma rays and tell me they can't interact with you and vice versa.
Then tell all those idiots worrying about radiation levels at nuclear powerplants and hospitals and
in the flight industry that they no longer need to.

If you stand near a microwave, the microwaves go through you because they are so 'thin', so to speak, that they go between the electrons and the other particles you are made of. [..] you cannot interact with them, and yet they are REAL

Thats wrong, microwaves do interact with the human body and its contents, nonionizing radiation does not mean there is no interaction caused by the radiation.

The only reason standing near a microwave does not heat & denature proteins in your eye and give you a cataract
is because the waves are cleverly contained from reaching to have such an annoying effect.

So far, with the double slit experiment and the light spectrum explanation I have proved that THERE CAN BE ALTERNATIVE REALITIES THAT YOU CANNOT SEE/INTERACT WITH.

You have proved nothing but that you are A) Retarded and B) not educated in the most basic physics.

But I can't really blame you for that, I'm sure Bulgaria has terrible public schools,
I can however blame you for retarding all over the place and spreading misinformation.

EDIT: Cliff notes for people with the lazies: + Show Spoiler +

d_smart is seriously kicking all of your guys' asses with his incredible trolling ability. Easily one of the top 3 trolls LP has ever encountered.

you got me uick(weak), it's standard deviation. That should mean I am wrong about everything. I mean, cmon, everybody knows that if you make such a HUGE mistake, you ought to know nothing about anything. Did you check my grammar and punctuation? I am sure you can find something else really important. It's really funny when I see a bunch of idiots trying to point out little mistakes without trying to understand the concept and the point of what is said. You can open any book in the world and find such little mistakes or unclarifications. That's what a retard does when he can't find important argumentation. Again, please check my grammar, you can build your case on that and it will stir away attention from the main issue. There's a saying in Bulgaria that defines your actions very well - like a drowning man holding on a straw.

^ just proves you don't know shit and know generalities and ideas and theories, but don't know anything in depth. Which is understood with you lack of ability to pay attention to "mainstream education". Even though you blame it , you go out and about and use it to explain you over simplistic ideas and interpretations. Your ignorant fool with too much information available to you, and it confuses you're little brain.

ps i actually read your post for the lulz

do you guys notice how the only posts that are getting attention are the most outrageous and baseless ones? and then you ask why we have all these religious nutjobs?
Well, that's cause the righteous anti-religious crusaders like you prefer to create a spectacle out of the subject rather than have an intelligent discussion. Debate bumhunting is waht that is.

On January 18 2012 10:50 uiCk wrote: ^ just proves you don't know shit and know generalities and ideas and theories, but don't know anything in depth. Which is understood with you lack of ability to pay attention to "mainstream education". Even though you blame it , you go out and about and use it to explain you over simplistic ideas and interpretations. Your ignorant fool with too much information available to you, and it confuses you're little brain.

you're=you are
you're=/=your

see I am learning fast to hold onto the straw . Now I can say that the difference between the two is learned in highschool and come with something like "what a retarded idiot who doesn't know a 1st grade thing"

i am getting good at this fast. Let's keep it that way, let's not go into the deeper concepts but point out the little things. That's how the little brains and the little souls act, right, weak?