Is laydown even an option?

Submitted by : MadJukes

PokerStars Game #39175931262: Holdem No Limit (€0.05/€0.10 EUR) - 2010/02/03 13:27:08 CT [2010/02/03 14:27:08 ET]
Table Euneus IV 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: aprilbro (€13.58 in chips)
Seat 2: MadJukes (€11.70 in chips)
Seat 3: ELLAS 77 (€10.04 in chips)
Seat 4: serres1510 (€14.82 in chips)
Seat 5: BoLe_SO (€18.85 in chips)
Seat 6: BarneyKing (€4.62 in chips)
BoLe_SO: posts small blind €0.05
BarneyKing: posts big blind €0.10

Holecards
Dealt to MadJukes
aprilbro: raises €0.20 to €0.30
MadJukes: calls €0.30
ELLAS 77: folds
serres1510: folds
BoLe_SO: folds
BarneyKing: folds

Flop (Pot : $0.00)

   
aprilbro: checks
MadJukes: bets €0.60
aprilbro: calls €0.60

Turn (Pot : $0.00)

   
aprilbro: bets €0.10
MadJukes: raises €1.35 to €1.45
aprilbro: raises €1.35 to €2.80
MadJukes: calls €1.35

River (Pot : $0.00)

   
aprilbro: bets €4.20
MadJukes: raises €3.80 to €8 and is all-in

32?

If he has a boat then you should fold. Same thing with ace high flush (even king high when you think about it). But if you have him beat, then getting it allin is a good result, but only if you win.

T.T

lol.

vague answer much?

Well, since he raised pre, I didnt count 33 or 66 in his range, especially since he's UTG. Turn 3-- didnt really see anything that he could have. Flush draw? Making a play on me? QK/QA/QT? Then river completed my flush and he pots it. Really confusing...

some people raise all pocket pairs UTG in 6 max.

So what's your play in this hand? and why? :S

[x] dumb villain
[x] prolly fish
[x] 3rd nut flush
[ ] 1st/2nd nut flush in his range (no one is going to rebluff nut draw once board pairs on turn)
[x] only lose to boats
[x] limited combonation of boats

But then what could he possibly be betting with on river? Whole hand makes no sense x_x

Edit: AA and KK seem to be able to take this line, if he likes slowplaying.

MadJukes, you really seem to have trouble coming up with reasonable ranges for people (not just this thread, and it's something that takes time to learn). You are fine with noting what they do, but then the conclusions you draw from their actions make no sense. You should work on this, because you seem to try and analyze things based on false precepts.


In this hand he can have QQ, 66, 33 and he probably does because no one ever does c/c, dink/3bet, lead as a bluff. That said he can have very strangely played lower flushes and fishy KK/AA spazzouts so you should call river and raising probably isn't too bad because you have a flush and this is nl10.

on the turn he is telling you he has the ultimate nuts.

lol @ minbet turn reraise, hes got the nuts

pretty sure this guy flop a set that turn into a boat on the turn.

That line scream this at NL10. 90% of player will slowplay a set on the flop no matter what the board look like.

Then on turn they will raise (and yea mainly min raise).

Normally with that line they shove river instantly tho so I dont know.

I would not be surprise to see 66 33 in this spot. QQ is less likely since u have one.

As played I would only call the river and see what he have.

33 and 66 UTG raise? I've almost always seen a limp/call from UTG low pocket pairs. QQ I considered but since I have a Q, the chance he has 2 other Q's is very low. Since he's 24/16, he's not playing any 2 and probably raising 2 broadways/88+pocket pairs...ya?

Definitely has 33, 66, and QQ in his range PF. The turn raise looks like a boat; however, he could have some random 3, AQ, lower FD(probably just calls with this), KK, or AA. I think you should fold the turn; however the river play seems fine, because you're beating all of his spazz hands and he's very likely to call your river raise with those hands anyways.

its 6-max. who the hell doesnt raise all pp from UTG?

anyway just allin river, dont overthink

On February 03 2010 17:05 MadJukes wrote: 33 and 66 UTG raise? I've almost always seen a limp/call from UTG low pocket pairs. QQ I considered but since I have a Q, the chance he has 2 other Q's is very low. Since he's 24/16, he's not playing any 2 and probably raising 2 broadways/88+pocket pairs...ya?

You can't really put him on a such definite range based on VPIP/PFR

This is why we pay attention to what people raise from certain positions.

He might play 16 % of hands from all position - and then his range is huge.

He might play 8 % of his hands UTG, which can be 22+, AQo+, KQs... who the hell knows.

All pairs is about 5,4 % of all possible starting hands.

i think this hand is played fine.

As played i say ship river is good. He prob calls with AQ - KQ. You coulda also call but you didnt have that mush left behind si i would ship it also

On February 03 2010 16:31 joLin wrote: on the turn he is telling you he has the ultimate nuts.