200nl tough spot vs nit

if this is a fold, then is bottom set on a dryish board too? if not can sum1 explain why

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On January 22 2010 08:52 genjix wrote: if this is a fold, then is bottom set on a dryish board too? if not can sum1 explain why

this is really an impossible board to bluff with that line

if you have a large sample this is a flop fold a lot of the times, if not, you're calling river 100%.

Like if he had AK he'd call call call he wouldn't raise flop as a nit. seriously FR is this nitty.

agree with Myth.

I know this is FR and it doesn't really pertain, but I remember playing shorthanded NL like 400nl and I had the nittiest stats ever (like 17/13), but I absolutely raped games because people ALWAYS thought I had the nuts, and I would repeatedly call people who opened somewhat lighter and then bluff and they would fold every fucking time and I would have nothing, and repeatedly I had people saying that they had to be beat and their reasoning was my stats.

I guess what I am saying is that fine, play completely by stats. But if you are playing with the same people every day and never look them up you're gonna be losing money to at least some of them.

On January 22 2010 08:52 genjix wrote: if this is a fold, then is bottom set on a dryish board too? if not can sum1 explain why

On January 22 2010 08:52 genjix wrote: if this is a fold, then is bottom set on a dryish board too? if not can sum1 explain why

it can be for sure... if the board is so that they cant ever have anything worse than of course its a fold... its just a rare occurance thats all

On January 22 2010 12:15 asdf2000 wrote: I know this is FR and it doesn't really pertain, but I remember playing shorthanded NL like 400nl and I had the nittiest stats ever (like 17/13), but I absolutely raped games because people ALWAYS thought I had the nuts, and I would repeatedly call people who opened somewhat lighter and then bluff and they would fold every fucking time and I would have nothing, and repeatedly I had people saying that they had to be beat and their reasoning was my stats. I guess what I am saying is that fine, play completely by stats. But if you are playing with the same people every day and never look them up you're gonna be losing money to at least some of them.

I entirely agree. Sod 'cool', I wish I had the discipline to be this nitty and aggro postflop - however it is a reasonable generalisation that people this nitty preflop just don't bluff enough post, and you are the exception. Also, It can't have been that repeatedly if you were 17/13.

In the case of a paired flop and we hold trips with the best kicker then 13 hands beat us. With bottom set on a dry flop then 12 hands beat us. That's one hand difference. If the trips is a fold then so is the bottom set.

Disregarding suits and just having ranks:

xxy

we hold: Ax
combinations that beat us: xx, 6 yy's, 6 xy's

xyz

we hold: zz (bottom set)
combinations that beat us: 6 xx's, 6 yy's

On January 24 2010 07:30 genjix wrote: In the case of a paired flop and we hold trips with the best kicker then 13 hands beat us. With bottom set on a dry flop then 12 hands beat us. That's one hand difference. If the trips is a fold then so is the bottom set. Disregarding suits and just having ranks: xxy we hold: Ax combinations that beat us: xx, 6 yy's, 6 xy's xyz we hold: zz (bottom set) combinations that beat us: 6 xx's, 6 yy's

Dude you're totally making shit up.

On January 24 2010 07:30 genjix wrote: In the case of a paired flop and we hold trips with the best kicker then 13 hands beat us. With bottom set on a dry flop then 12 hands beat us. That's one hand difference. If the trips is a fold then so is the bottom set. Disregarding suits and just having ranks: xxy we hold: Ax combinations that beat us: xx, 6 yy's, 6 xy's xyz we hold: zz (bottom set) combinations that beat us: 6 xx's, 6 yy's

do you even know what math is

you have 100 bb , click call and stfu

On January 24 2010 10:24 joLin wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2010 07:30 genjix wrote: In the case of a paired flop and we hold trips with the best kicker then 13 hands beat us. With bottom set on a dry flop then 12 hands beat us. That's one hand difference. If the trips is a fold then so is the bottom set. Disregarding suits and just having ranks: xxy we hold: Ax combinations that beat us: xx, 6 yy's, 6 xy's xyz we hold: zz (bottom set) combinations that beat us: 6 xx's, 6 yy's do you even know what math is

oh wait. ok i forgot the x we hold. so it's 6 yy's and 3 xy's making only 9 combos.

shouldn't that be a reason then to stack off more? since less combos beat our hand. or does it decrease cos theres less hands on this type of board = relative hand strength goes down?

Genjix, aside from the trips thing, there's only 3 combinations of sets. You're re-counting the ones where the suits change sides e.g. 2c2h and 2h2c.

ack lots of mistakes.

xxy
we have: Ax
beats us: 3 yy's 3 xy's (6)

xyz
we have: zz
beats us: 3 xx's 3 yy's (6)

? more questions!

its the same number of combos... so why would you fold trips vs this guy but not bottom set? just cos its more visible on the board... or?

12/9
3% flat range, with card removal from implied utg range I guess that's about
88-qq, ak. Maybe he turned 99 into a bluff, but oops river came 9. He's ak/88 and you're fucked 100%.
Maynard is a starcraft master, listen to him. Fold flop.

He's not doing this with jj qq. Tt 99 is his bluff range and a 9 hit the river.
He's not jamming this river tt to rep like his 99 just got there, no way u believe that story. You are chopping 4/10 times losing 6/10 IMO.

+75*.40 -150*.60 = -90+30 = -60
ah it ain't that bad a call only -60. Wait let's pretend he's a mad genius with TT.
-60*10/16 + 300*6/16 = +60 some
u need him to be 50% bluffing allin this river with his tt to break even.
I don't 12/9 are mad geniuses anyway foooooooooooold

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WDF dude?! I don't see how you could possibly fold this! When he raises the flop its far more likely that he has K with weaker kicker or maybe a flush draw, rather than 88.

I would probably re-raise the flop here by a decent amount, and if he shoves, I call. Its an all in hand for me.

Folding to the blank river is the worst fold ever here man. The pot is $147 and you have $128. Call call call - all day. So what if hes flopped the nutz - you can't win them all.