200nl tough spot vs nit

this guy is pretty nitty 12/9 not much aggression
can i rly put on him 88 here?
Submitted by : domyouji

PokerStars Game #38405379737: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2010/01/19 12:07:22 ET
Table Viking II 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: OReydoAzar ($202 in chips)
Seat 3: 24kgilded ($633.25 in chips)
Seat 4: K-I 1979 ($114 in chips)
Seat 5: acegee$$ ($279.40 in chips)
Seat 6: FakieThis ($208.45 in chips)
Seat 7: Naruse ($200 in chips)
Seat 8: redacesfull ($271.10 in chips)
Seat 9: Hgh_Ssociety ($209 in chips)
acegee$$: posts small blind $1
FakieThis: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Naruse
Naruse: raises $4 to $6
redacesfull: folds
Hgh_Ssociety: folds
OReydoAzar: folds
24kgilded: calls $6
K-I 1979: folds
acegee$$: folds
FakieThis: folds

Flop (Pot : $15.00)

   
Naruse: bets $8
24kgilded: raises $14 to $22
Naruse: calls $14

Turn (Pot : $59.00)

   
Naruse: checks
24kgilded: bets $44
Naruse: calls $44

River (Pot : $147.00)

   
Naruse: checks
24kgilded: bets $561.25 and is all-in
Naruse:

loll snap this!!!The easiest call ever.I dont think there is fold here in a million years

lol fullring

I don't know my read was that this dude is pretty passive and he insta shoved river

On January 19 2010 11:34 gororokgororok wrote: lol fullring

although now i look at it my line seems pretty weak

like he can't have KQ/KJ here

On January 19 2010 11:34 gororokgororok wrote: lol fullring

I love you man, you made me switch to 6Max <3

Yeah people don't even usually flat with KQ and KJ in full ring to EP raises which actually makes this closer than it looks. dunno if i can find a fold though since it really looks like you have an in-between PP or AA, i guess i would call and see what he has but you were right to think about it at least.

this is so much closer than it looks, a fold is probably right but i cant decide where, literally his range is either 88 or splitting with us, or a wild bluff but theres like no bluffs thateven make sense especially from this opponent.

at the table id probably just stackoff and whine when hes got 88, but i think he is going to have 88 a lot of the time here.

sigh....

can't see myself ever folding here -.-

this hand is hilarious what is the question this is the easiest call ever...?

seriously why are u guys outleveling urself, are u planning on folding to every sign of aggression from tight players? you have a massively under-represented, GIGANTIC hand.

I don't know I was thinking the same thing as critterer cause this guy dosen't seem to get out of line or anything

unless you know someone's tendencies you shouldn't be folding hands where u have almost the nuts like this. there are not enough hands that beat you to fold. 12/9 stats doesn't mean he can only have 88 or AK here. how many hands of history do you have with this guy? how many hands in spots like this have you looked him up?


and furthermore, if u are to fold, it should be on the turn

if you played these kind of passive nits he's almost onpar with vinivici or ronfar and I don't think they shove anything less than a boat here

also it was kinda impulse call because I was confused and don't know wtf was going on

this would actually be a thread if we had KJ or worse here. but we basically have the nuts wtf.

12/9? lol seems like 88 all the time
don't even think any Kx is in his range, and if he did have Kx, he'd just flat all 3 streets cause he's a nit and wouldn't raise for value

I think this is a little bit closer than some people are giving it credit for, just b/c this guy is such a nit and most of these nits aren't even capable of running epic bluffs like this.

That being said, there are literally only 3 combinations of hands we realistically lose to, and many more combinations of hands we split against. Plus, there is some minor chance he's spazzing out with something goofy here - although his line still looks like 88 exactly.

However, you also have to consider that a large portion of your UTG range does not include a K, and even less of that is AK. I know your UTG range isn't tight by any means so I would just say kudos for him if he's raising 88 on the flop and playing it in a manner that makes hands like KJ-, AA, QQ-, etc all mostly fold on the end.

Also, like Travis said, our hand is massively under-represented and given the pot odds (which I think you only have to be good around 33% to break even here), I think it's just going to be a call all the time. You did post a hand earlier as well against super nit SetzerMason where he did some goofy check/minraise flop //overshove river with essentially garbage - which definitely surprised me. Even though these guys are by the book solid super nits, they still can spaz out and do something stupid from time to time like the rest of us.

I'd probably fold on flop to be honest w/ you.

On January 19 2010 11:55 vlseph wrote: like he can't have KQ/KJ here

He never has KJ here and I'd still be shocked to see him play KQ in this manner.