Animal fur trade, disgusting

Yeah I know you probably hate preaching hippies as much as the next guy (so do I), but this interesting forward landed in my mailbox from a friend whom I wouldn't normally expect to receive such "spam" from. So, curiously I followed the link...

http://www.peta.org/feat/ChineseFurFarms/index.asp

WARNING! The video contained on this page is very disturbing. I suggest not watching it. The descriptions are enough to know what's going on.

So yeah, watching this video (stupid me) has made me really angry (an illogical anger, but anger nonetheless).

Yeah that shit is really sick

I saw this shit a while ago and since have stopped buying fur/leather products as much as possible. I feel bad enough eating meat, I really can't justify torturing animals for my entertainment or clothing when other clothes work perfectly fine for me.

What makes me even more sick, is after they skin the animals alive they don't have the common decency to at least kill them and put them out of there misery

Although I am not going to support PETA because they are bunch of hypocritical scamming pieces of shit. I just won't buy fur.

I remember seeing one of those videos on teamliquid years ago and it literally put me in tears. I didn't really make the link with food back then. =[

Ive seen worse been done to humans. And no one seems to care.

You just have to see how humans are treated in those areas and you will understand why "humane treatment" of animals doesnt even cross their minds, its not malice, its just their way of life.

There is something very sick going on there. Empathy is an inbuilt mechanism of humans, and it extends beyond seeing only other humans in pain. Any furry mammalian creature in pain naturally triggers empathic responses in our brains, so to have that function completely over-ridden is hard to imagine. Most likely they're just ignoring it, which is far worse than not having one (because they're acknowledging the animals' pain yet continue to harm it anyway).

Many serial killers lack a functioning empathy pathway in their brain, explaining why they can do the things they do to other people and not see why it's "wrong" (ie. they don't feel others' pain emotionally).

If you don't understand physiologically how empathy works, basically if we see something painful occurring to some one/thing else, our visual cortex forwards that sensory information to other parts of the brain including physical sensory areas and emotion association areas; we feel an "emotional" pain without the actual physical stimulus, yet our physical sense area is stimulated because of these other pathways. The basic explanation is that when we see pain, our brain literally puts us in the shoes of whom we're seeing, and imagines the stimulus as if it were happening to us.

On a side note, yes it is possible to become desensitised to seeing certain painful stimuli if exposed over and over. For instance, when you go to a doctor and receive an injection, the doctor says "this won't hurt", and they literally believe it. In the average doctors mind, they feel much less emotional pain when seeing some one else receive a needle compared to the average person. The most extreme example I can think of is when some one gets kicked in the balls: just thinking about it makes you cringe a little.

ugh gross. Damn you peta, just let me eat meat in my own solitary ignorance.

On June 23 2009 21:27 Shenny wrote: ugh gross. Damn you peta, just let me eat meat in my own solitary ignorance.

On June 23 2009 21:06 PokerDoc88 wrote: There is something very sick going on there. Empathy is an inbuilt mechanism of humans, and it extends beyond seeing only other humans in pain. Any furry mammalian creature in pain naturally triggers empathic responses in our brains, so to have that function completely over-ridden is hard to imagine. Most likely they're just ignoring it, which is far worse than not having one (because they're acknowledging the animals' pain yet continue to harm it anyway). Many serial killers lack a functioning empathy pathway in their brain, explaining why they can do the things they do to other people and not see why it's "wrong" (ie. they don't feel others' pain emotionally). If you don't understand physiologically how empathy works, basically if we see something painful occurring to some one/thing else, our visual cortex forwards that sensory information to other parts of the brain including physical sensory areas and emotion association areas; we feel an "emotional" pain without the actual physical stimulus, yet our physical sense area is stimulated because of these other pathways. The basic explanation is that when we see pain, our brain literally puts us in the shoes of whom we're seeing, and imagines the stimulus as if it were happening to us. On a side note, yes it is possible to become desensitised to seeing certain painful stimuli if exposed over and over. For instance, when you go to a doctor and receive an injection, the doctor says "this won't hurt", and they literally believe it. In the average doctors mind, they feel much less emotional pain when seeing some one else receive a needle compared to the average person. The most extreme example I can think of is when some one gets kicked in the balls: just thinking about it makes you cringe a little.

No, most of it is nurtured through society, thats why animals have very little sympathy for other species pain, they eat their prays alive and do other things that we would consider brutal.

We as advanced beings we rationalize others pain and try to avoid it if possible, however the conditions this people live in, the way they were raised and how their world works make them unable to even consider the pain these animals suffer.

Let me put you an example, in a distnat past, when a girl or woman was raped it wasnt a big deal, it wasnt good but the girl didnt get "scard for life" the girl moved on no problem because it was a common occurrence and the society didnt see it as the abomination it is today. Today when a woman gets raped its life shattering, they have nightmares, become agorafobic and have severe psychological trauma, that shows that not only our sympathy for pain, but our own pain is nurtured rather than natural.

Ah those old golden days when you could just walk up to a woman, rape her, and everything would be a-ok for both parties.

On June 23 2009 22:01 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2009 21:06 PokerDoc88 wrote: There is something very sick going on there. Empathy is an inbuilt mechanism of humans, and it extends beyond seeing only other humans in pain. Any furry mammalian creature in pain naturally triggers empathic responses in our brains, so to have that function completely over-ridden is hard to imagine. Most likely they're just ignoring it, which is far worse than not having one (because they're acknowledging the animals' pain yet continue to harm it anyway). Many serial killers lack a functioning empathy pathway in their brain, explaining why they can do the things they do to other people and not see why it's "wrong" (ie. they don't feel others' pain emotionally). If you don't understand physiologically how empathy works, basically if we see something painful occurring to some one/thing else, our visual cortex forwards that sensory information to other parts of the brain including physical sensory areas and emotion association areas; we feel an "emotional" pain without the actual physical stimulus, yet our physical sense area is stimulated because of these other pathways. The basic explanation is that when we see pain, our brain literally puts us in the shoes of whom we're seeing, and imagines the stimulus as if it were happening to us. On a side note, yes it is possible to become desensitised to seeing certain painful stimuli if exposed over and over. For instance, when you go to a doctor and receive an injection, the doctor says "this won't hurt", and they literally believe it. In the average doctors mind, they feel much less emotional pain when seeing some one else receive a needle compared to the average person. The most extreme example I can think of is when some one gets kicked in the balls: just thinking about it makes you cringe a little. No, most of it is nurtured through society, thats why animals have very little sympathy for other species pain, they eat their prays alive and do other things that we would consider brutal. We as advanced beings we rationalize others pain and try to avoid it if possible, however the conditions this people live in, the way they were raised and how their world works make them unable to even consider the pain these animals suffer. Let me put you an example, in a distnat past, when a girl or woman was raped it wasnt a big deal, it wasnt good but the girl didnt get "scard for life" the girl moved on no problem because it was a common occurrence and the society didnt see it as the abomination it is today. Today when a woman gets raped its life shattering, they have nightmares, become agorafobic and have severe psychological trauma, that shows that not only our sympathy for pain, but our own pain is nurtured rather than natural.

Sorry Baal, this is wrong. Empathy is a natural physiological mechanism, look it up if you want. Society plays a huge role in influencing our empathic responses, but the underlying mechanism is hardwired into our brains. The key thing to remember is 'before you can cause harm to some one/thing else, first you must de-humanise them'. I hope this helps you understand.

On June 23 2009 22:03 SakiSaki wrote: Ah those old golden days when you could just walk up to a woman, rape her, and everything would be a-ok for both parties.

then get wasted on wine and go into battle with your two handed sword... good ol times

On June 23 2009 22:29 PokerDoc88 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2009 22:01 Baal wrote:   On June 23 2009 21:06 PokerDoc88 wrote: There is something very sick going on there. Empathy is an inbuilt mechanism of humans, and it extends beyond seeing only other humans in pain. Any furry mammalian creature in pain naturally triggers empathic responses in our brains, so to have that function completely over-ridden is hard to imagine. Most likely they're just ignoring it, which is far worse than not having one (because they're acknowledging the animals' pain yet continue to harm it anyway). Many serial killers lack a functioning empathy pathway in their brain, explaining why they can do the things they do to other people and not see why it's "wrong" (ie. they don't feel others' pain emotionally). If you don't understand physiologically how empathy works, basically if we see something painful occurring to some one/thing else, our visual cortex forwards that sensory information to other parts of the brain including physical sensory areas and emotion association areas; we feel an "emotional" pain without the actual physical stimulus, yet our physical sense area is stimulated because of these other pathways. The basic explanation is that when we see pain, our brain literally puts us in the shoes of whom we're seeing, and imagines the stimulus as if it were happening to us. On a side note, yes it is possible to become desensitised to seeing certain painful stimuli if exposed over and over. For instance, when you go to a doctor and receive an injection, the doctor says "this won't hurt", and they literally believe it. In the average doctors mind, they feel much less emotional pain when seeing some one else receive a needle compared to the average person. The most extreme example I can think of is when some one gets kicked in the balls: just thinking about it makes you cringe a little. No, most of it is nurtured through society, thats why animals have very little sympathy for other species pain, they eat their prays alive and do other things that we would consider brutal. We as advanced beings we rationalize others pain and try to avoid it if possible, however the conditions this people live in, the way they were raised and how their world works make them unable to even consider the pain these animals suffer. Let me put you an example, in a distnat past, when a girl or woman was raped it wasnt a big deal, it wasnt good but the girl didnt get "scard for life" the girl moved on no problem because it was a common occurrence and the society didnt see it as the abomination it is today. Today when a woman gets raped its life shattering, they have nightmares, become agorafobic and have severe psychological trauma, that shows that not only our sympathy for pain, but our own pain is nurtured rather than natural. Sorry Baal, this is wrong. Empathy is a natural physiological mechanism, look it up if you want. Society plays a huge role in influencing our empathic responses, but the underlying mechanism is hardwired into our brains. The key thing to remember is 'before you can cause harm to some one/thing else, first you must de-humanise them'. I hope this helps you understand.

"de-humanize" it... animals are not humans as i said, animals show very little empathy for other species in pain.

Im not saying its right to harm animals or that we shouldnt care, we should care and stop wearing stupid meaningless fur, but the empathy for other species pain has been strengtened with time, do you think they give a flying fuck about animal suffering 2,000 years ago?

On June 23 2009 22:34 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2009 22:29 PokerDoc88 wrote:   On June 23 2009 22:01 Baal wrote:   On June 23 2009 21:06 PokerDoc88 wrote: There is something very sick going on there. Empathy is an inbuilt mechanism of humans, and it extends beyond seeing only other humans in pain. Any furry mammalian creature in pain naturally triggers empathic responses in our brains, so to have that function completely over-ridden is hard to imagine. Most likely they're just ignoring it, which is far worse than not having one (because they're acknowledging the animals' pain yet continue to harm it anyway). Many serial killers lack a functioning empathy pathway in their brain, explaining why they can do the things they do to other people and not see why it's "wrong" (ie. they don't feel others' pain emotionally). If you don't understand physiologically how empathy works, basically if we see something painful occurring to some one/thing else, our visual cortex forwards that sensory information to other parts of the brain including physical sensory areas and emotion association areas; we feel an "emotional" pain without the actual physical stimulus, yet our physical sense area is stimulated because of these other pathways. The basic explanation is that when we see pain, our brain literally puts us in the shoes of whom we're seeing, and imagines the stimulus as if it were happening to us. On a side note, yes it is possible to become desensitised to seeing certain painful stimuli if exposed over and over. For instance, when you go to a doctor and receive an injection, the doctor says "this won't hurt", and they literally believe it. In the average doctors mind, they feel much less emotional pain when seeing some one else receive a needle compared to the average person. The most extreme example I can think of is when some one gets kicked in the balls: just thinking about it makes you cringe a little. No, most of it is nurtured through society, thats why animals have very little sympathy for other species pain, they eat their prays alive and do other things that we would consider brutal. We as advanced beings we rationalize others pain and try to avoid it if possible, however the conditions this people live in, the way they were raised and how their world works make them unable to even consider the pain these animals suffer. Let me put you an example, in a distnat past, when a girl or woman was raped it wasnt a big deal, it wasnt good but the girl didnt get "scard for life" the girl moved on no problem because it was a common occurrence and the society didnt see it as the abomination it is today. Today when a woman gets raped its life shattering, they have nightmares, become agorafobic and have severe psychological trauma, that shows that not only our sympathy for pain, but our own pain is nurtured rather than natural. Sorry Baal, this is wrong. Empathy is a natural physiological mechanism, look it up if you want. Society plays a huge role in influencing our empathic responses, but the underlying mechanism is hardwired into our brains. The key thing to remember is 'before you can cause harm to some one/thing else, first you must de-humanise them'. I hope this helps you understand. "de-humanize" it... animals are not humans as i said, animals show very little empathy for other species in pain. Im not saying its right to harm animals or that we shouldnt care, we should care and stop wearing stupid meaningless fur, but the empathy for other species pain has been strengtened with time, do you think they give a flying fuck about animal suffering 2,000 years ago?

Nearly all animals of any species display an empathic-like mechanism, which explains why wolves hunting in packs still do not eat or harm each other, nor do swarming piranhas. So wolves must "de-wolf" their prey, and piranhas "de-piranhaise" etc. Sorry Baal, try again.

On June 23 2009 22:59 PokerDoc88 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2009 22:34 Baal wrote:   On June 23 2009 22:29 PokerDoc88 wrote:   On June 23 2009 22:01 Baal wrote:   On June 23 2009 21:06 PokerDoc88 wrote: There is something very sick going on there. Empathy is an inbuilt mechanism of humans, and it extends beyond seeing only other humans in pain. Any furry mammalian creature in pain naturally triggers empathic responses in our brains, so to have that function completely over-ridden is hard to imagine. Most likely they're just ignoring it, which is far worse than not having one (because they're acknowledging the animals' pain yet continue to harm it anyway). Many serial killers lack a functioning empathy pathway in their brain, explaining why they can do the things they do to other people and not see why it's "wrong" (ie. they don't feel others' pain emotionally). If you don't understand physiologically how empathy works, basically if we see something painful occurring to some one/thing else, our visual cortex forwards that sensory information to other parts of the brain including physical sensory areas and emotion association areas; we feel an "emotional" pain without the actual physical stimulus, yet our physical sense area is stimulated because of these other pathways. The basic explanation is that when we see pain, our brain literally puts us in the shoes of whom we're seeing, and imagines the stimulus as if it were happening to us. On a side note, yes it is possible to become desensitised to seeing certain painful stimuli if exposed over and over. For instance, when you go to a doctor and receive an injection, the doctor says "this won't hurt", and they literally believe it. In the average doctors mind, they feel much less emotional pain when seeing some one else receive a needle compared to the average person. The most extreme example I can think of is when some one gets kicked in the balls: just thinking about it makes you cringe a little. No, most of it is nurtured through society, thats why animals have very little sympathy for other species pain, they eat their prays alive and do other things that we would consider brutal. We as advanced beings we rationalize others pain and try to avoid it if possible, however the conditions this people live in, the way they were raised and how their world works make them unable to even consider the pain these animals suffer. Let me put you an example, in a distnat past, when a girl or woman was raped it wasnt a big deal, it wasnt good but the girl didnt get "scard for life" the girl moved on no problem because it was a common occurrence and the society didnt see it as the abomination it is today. Today when a woman gets raped its life shattering, they have nightmares, become agorafobic and have severe psychological trauma, that shows that not only our sympathy for pain, but our own pain is nurtured rather than natural. Sorry Baal, this is wrong. Empathy is a natural physiological mechanism, look it up if you want. Society plays a huge role in influencing our empathic responses, but the underlying mechanism is hardwired into our brains. The key thing to remember is 'before you can cause harm to some one/thing else, first you must de-humanise them'. I hope this helps you understand. "de-humanize" it... animals are not humans as i said, animals show very little empathy for other species in pain. Im not saying its right to harm animals or that we shouldnt care, we should care and stop wearing stupid meaningless fur, but the empathy for other species pain has been strengtened with time, do you think they give a flying fuck about animal suffering 2,000 years ago? Nearly all animals of any species display an empathic-like mechanism, which explains why wolves hunting in packs still do not eat or harm each other, nor do swarming piranhas. So wolves must "de-wolf" their prey, and piranhas "de-piranhaise" etc. Sorry Baal, try again.

They dont have to "de-wolf" their god damnt prey... their prey is NOT A WOLF... how do you de-wolf something that isnt a wolf in the first place... sigh this discussion is retarded.

how do these topics always get derailed into the weirdest side topics?

I really expected Loco to have started this thread...

me too, but this is disgusting, not the ignorant retards doing it, but the educated people in the 1st world buying fucking fur.


Yesterday i were in the bathroom and there was this random magazine so i decided to read it and they were saying what is "IN" this season... FUR, with pictures of stupid models wearing fur... wtf i thought we were past that shit -.-