So like, fold QQ?

Submitted by : DustySwedeDude

** Hand # 2589382669 starting - 2009-05-07 15:59:09
** Somebody Needs You 2 [Hold 'em] (5.00|10.00 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
RandomDonky sitting in seat 1 with €1843.00
Sacre sitting in seat 2 with €1040.00
Evil_bong sitting in seat 3 with €1244.00
Hero sitting in seat 4 with €1003.00[Dealer]
Adamsss86 sitting in seat 5 with €935.00
Adamsss86 posted the small blind - €5.00
RandomDonky posted the big blind - €10.00

Holecards
   
Sacre folded
Evil_bong raised to €35.00
Hero raised to €120.00
Adamsss86 folded
RandomDonky raised to €276.00
Evil_bong called - €276.00
Hero ???

Also, what's the threeshold for a shove here? Can I shove JJ? AKs I assume is a no brainer. If QQ is an easy ship, could this be a bluffshove with A5s?

i like calling here based on your reads

if randomdonky is a good player however I like shoving.

I disagree I don't think evil is strong at all, looks like some fishy suited hand or some dumb shit trying to see a flop 3way and hit a big flop.

so based on your reads think it's close but calling is probably better and play a little postflop.

On May 07 2009 10:31 kaboom wrote: i like calling here based on your reads if randomdonky is a good player however I like shoving. I disagree I don't think evil is strong at all, looks like some fishy suited hand or some dumb shit trying to see a flop 3way and hit a big flop. so based on your reads think it's close but calling is probably better and play a little postflop.

Don't want to comment on the hand, but the fact that Evil cold call a 4bet is stronger than cold-calling a 3bet, isn't it ?

Would Evil flat for a 3 way flop with KK or AA? I'd doubt it

From my experience Evil_bong is a nit and he will be super strong here. RandomDonky does a lot of random shit so I wouldnt mind getting it in if Evil_bong was out, but like this it suxx I dunno, fold seems like the best option to me. Well unless you 3 have been really active against each other recently in the session, then just get it in and hope

i don't think fold can ever be good because even if you call purely to setmine that is probably +EV

so yeah do not fold no matter what

On May 07 2009 14:29 [vital]Myth wrote: i don't think fold can ever be good because even if you call purely to setmine that is probably +EV so yeah do not fold no matter what

I'm really wondering : were shoving or calling the best profitable play ?

On May 07 2009 14:06 Joe wrote: From my experience Evil_bong is a nit and he will be super strong here. RandomDonky does a lot of random shit so I wouldnt mind getting it in if Evil_bong was out, but like this it suxx I dunno, fold seems like the best option to me. Well unless you 3 have been really active against each other recently in the session, then just get it in and hope

Yea kinda, but isn't he more of the stupid spazznit rather then the "OMFG I know what I'm doing"-kind of nit?

So basically if we don't think we're good we'll flat for set value/hope they've got AK and will shut down but if we feel that QQ might actually be best, should we shove? Can worse call etc? Protect our hand?

i call with position

i think myths right id call to setmine.

I'd call, setmine.... and then, flop would come rags, i'd go broke, he'd show up with aces, and i'd curse the world

boohooohoo

i'm not saying call to setmine is the best play, it's probably a mixture of calling to setmine or get it in on flops like 234, 245, 9TJ, etc. and possibly getting it in on other flops also

but i'm just saying that folding DEFINITELY can't be the best play because setmining is probably +EV

If you fold you can't win the pot

ok cool, got what I wanted.

I pushed, Donkey tank/called JJ and Evil snapped AA. Q on the turn.

On May 08 2009 11:03 DustySwedeDude wrote: Q on the turn.

ez game.

Obviously the right move cause of the Q on the turn.

Standard.

On May 08 2009 11:03 DustySwedeDude wrote: ok cool, got what I wanted. I pushed, Donkey tank/called JJ and Evil snapped AA. Q on the turn.

lol @ this hand, all 3 of you played it bad

@ least all of you sticked to your nicknames : RandomDonkey - calling a 4bet + call + 5bet AI with JJ, Evil_bong's flat call of 4bet + call is evil (still bad, he gives pretty much his hand away, would never do this with AK), and DustyLove for never ever folding the so lovely ladies